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Old 02-12-2010, 09:14 AM  
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Ron Paul Deceived. BucEyedPea Believed. (The Fabricated Reagan Quote)

I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I wanted to create a separate thread where BucEyedPea can feel free to admit that Ron Paul was wrong or argue endlessly with me about it if she's still in denial without hijacking another thread.

In July of 2006, Ron Paul got up in front of the House of Representatives to speak in opposition to a resolution condemning Hezbollah's attack against Israel. In his statement, he quoted Ronald Reagan to bolster his case. I should say he "mis-quoted" Reagan though, because as it turns out the quote was FABRICATED.

Since then, BucEyedPea has repeatedly referenced that quote here on the pages of ChiefsPlanet. At last count, I've seen her reference it no less than 16 times. What's with these appeasement conservatives and their need to pretend that Ronald Reagan would have approved of their misguided, neo-isolationist message?

See my next two posts for the details.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:52 PM   #181
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I do?
Do you? I've always wondered what your politica views are.
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:25 PM   #182
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Do you? I've always wondered what your politica views are.
I would say I am part of TJ's dreaded mushy middle. I like Ron Paul. I actually donated to his campaign this past election season.

However, I am a supporter and voter for Obama. He isn't my savior but I was faced with the two options for President he was and even today is IMO without a doubt the right choice.

I figure if nobody is going to try and be responsible fiscally (I don't see a lot of difference between the R's and D's on this) I will support the party who has other views more similar to mine.
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:46 PM   #183
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I figure if nobody is going to try and be responsible fiscally (I don't see a lot of difference between the R's and D's on this) ...
Wow, give or take a trillion dollars of deficit spending or two, I guess.
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:55 PM   #184
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Wow, give or take a trillion dollars of deficit spending or two, I guess.
Well we never got to choose from someone who is going to be conservative. Since guns and abortion seem to be the only thing Republicans care about.

So why not try and get money in where it helps people. And thwart the financial collapse. I have already seen companies wallets open up in my consulting ventures.
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:30 AM   #185
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OK, BucEyedPea, the signature is gone and, with it, so is your covertly communicated excuse. What's your take on this situation?
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Old 03-02-2010, 12:17 AM   #186
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Old 03-02-2010, 02:01 AM   #187
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Well we never got to choose from someone who is going to be conservative. Since guns and abortion seem to be the only thing Republicans care about.

So why not try and get money in where it helps people. And thwart the financial collapse. I have already seen companies wallets open up in my consulting ventures.

This, I agree with. I'd much rather seen that bailout money go directly to the people. Of course, the government couldn't just cut a check to every American, though, because all the money was loaned from China. It doesn't make much sense to take a huge loan from China to spread across America. The net result is inflation. UNLESS... of course... unless that money is tied to something in the system, such as income tax, which is tied to earnings, where the money would be weighted by the physical asset that created it in the first place. It would return from the government netherworld to the pockets of the people by way of a tax rebate, tax cut, or even better, tax elimination. Imagine the investment that business owners across the country could make in their businesses, and thus markets having that money they expended back in their pockets.

The one benefit that I can speak towards in my family is that when we got our salaries cut, we were forced to take a serious look at our spending and balance the budgets. Government hasn't been forced to go through this practice yet, and are still operating on a pre-September 2008 mindset. They don't seem to understand that government (whether you see left or right) is the reason that we're in this mess, and that it can't borrow and spend our way out of it.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:46 AM   #188
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:02 PM   #189
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:17 PM   #190
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Options at this point:

1) Continue to fake ignore thread.
2) Come into thread and just say, "Okay. I was wrong. It happens."
3) Eventually come into thread once she's got her argument prepared and is ready to slip her way out of Patt's trap.

I'm predicting 3. I'd really be a lot more impressed and think more of the poster if 2 came to fruition.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:25 PM   #194
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This thread (and comments) should highlight why I raised the question.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/com..._the_greatest/

The big thing to get me researching Reagan and his legacy was his colossal failure in Afghanistan and what it turned into. (aka Charlie Wilson's War)
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:30 PM   #195
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I wonder if you're one of those guys who looks back fondly on "Clinton's economy."

I'd argue (correctly) that Pres. Reagan contributed more to the collapse of the Soviet Union than Clinton contributed to the booming economic circumstances that coincided with his administration.

Sometimes praise can be heaped on a bit thick by either side for its own heroes.
LOL! The Clinton ''economy boost'' was in large part due to the westernization of eastern Europe in the early to mid 90's. but the liberals will say thats nonsense too
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