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Old 02-12-2010, 09:14 AM  
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Ron Paul Deceived. BucEyedPea Believed. (The Fabricated Reagan Quote)

I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I wanted to create a separate thread where BucEyedPea can feel free to admit that Ron Paul was wrong or argue endlessly with me about it if she's still in denial without hijacking another thread.

In July of 2006, Ron Paul got up in front of the House of Representatives to speak in opposition to a resolution condemning Hezbollah's attack against Israel. In his statement, he quoted Ronald Reagan to bolster his case. I should say he "mis-quoted" Reagan though, because as it turns out the quote was FABRICATED.

Since then, BucEyedPea has repeatedly referenced that quote here on the pages of ChiefsPlanet. At last count, I've seen her reference it no less than 16 times. What's with these appeasement conservatives and their need to pretend that Ronald Reagan would have approved of their misguided, neo-isolationist message?

See my next two posts for the details.
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Old 03-04-2010, 10:32 PM   #196
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patteeu should be awarded the annual CP ownage gold medal for 2110



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Old 03-04-2010, 11:35 PM   #197
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Old 03-05-2010, 05:45 AM   #198
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2110 is probably about when BucEyedPea will show up to admit she was wrong.
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Old 03-05-2010, 12:37 PM   #199
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2110 is probably about when BucEyedPea will show up to admit she was wrong.


OMFG! I wrote a check with that on it too.lol
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:34 PM   #200
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I think a mod should sticky this thread until she shows up.
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:08 PM   #201
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I think a mod should sticky this thread until she shows up.
She will continue to post on patriots planet's political board under her ''secret alias'' (what is she Brady's girl or some shit over there?) until this all blows over in like 50 years.


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Old 03-06-2010, 01:23 AM   #202
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I'm not sure how we could have anticipated the catastrophe at the marine barracks. Perhaps we didn't appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that make the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines' safety that it should have. Perhaps we should have anticipated that members of the Lebanese military whom we were trying to assist would simply lay down their arms and refuse to fight their own countrymen. In any case, the sending of the marines to Beirut was the source of my greatest regret and my greatest sorrow as president. Every day since the death of those boys, I have prayed for them and their loved ones.

close enough http://www.ronaldreagan.com/leb.html

Exactly what are you bitching about so much?
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:47 AM   #203
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I'm not sure how we could have anticipated the catastrophe at the marine barracks. Perhaps we didn't appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that make the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines' safety that it should have. Perhaps we should have anticipated that members of the Lebanese military whom we were trying to assist would simply lay down their arms and refuse to fight their own countrymen. In any case, the sending of the marines to Beirut was the source of my greatest regret and my greatest sorrow as president. Every day since the death of those boys, I have prayed for them and their loved ones.

close enough http://www.ronaldreagan.com/leb.html

Exactly what are you bitching about so much?
It's not close enough. It's not really very close at all. It's the difference between Reagan regretting the marine mission to Beirut because it was poorly conceived and Reagan deciding we need a "more neutral" policy in the middle east. The former is true, the latter is not.

Beyond that, it's a matter of integrity. The Ron Paul article on Lew Rockwell falsely attributes a quote to Ronald Reagan. Whether it's an intentional deception in order to make it look like Reagan would have agreed with Ron Paul's unReagan-like neo-isolationism or whether it was just carelessness that has gone uncorrected for the past 3.5 years, it's a black mark on the Ron Paul operation.

I hope this helps clear up your confusion.
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Old 03-06-2010, 03:33 PM   #204
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:01 PM   #205
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It's not close enough. It's not really very close at all. It's the difference between Reagan regretting the marine mission to Beirut because it was poorly conceived and Reagan deciding we need a "more neutral" policy in the middle east. The former is true, the latter is not.

Beyond that, it's a matter of integrity. The Ron Paul article on Lew Rockwell falsely attributes a quote to Ronald Reagan. Whether it's an intentional deception in order to make it look like Reagan would have agreed with Ron Paul's unReagan-like neo-isolationism or whether it was just carelessness that has gone uncorrected for the past 3.5 years, it's a black mark on the Ron Paul operation.

I hope this helps clear up your confusion.
That was the incorrect paragraph i quoted. Reagan didn't want intervention there anymore.

"We had to pull out. By then, there was no question about it: Our policy wasn't working. "


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In the months and the years that followed, our experience in Lebanon led to the adoption by the administration of a set of principles to guide America in the application of military force abroad, and I would recommend it to future presidents. The policy we adopted included these principles:
The United States should not commit its forces to military action overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest.
If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support needed to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.
Before we commit our troops to combat, there must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for and the actions we take will have the support of the American people and Congress. (We all felt that the Vietnam War had turned into such a tragedy because military action had been undertaken without sufficient assurances that the American people were behind it.)
Even after all these other tests are met, our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available."

Sounds like Neutrality to me. Or a form of it. Ok the quote was wrong. You guys are splitting hairs.
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:22 PM   #206
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That was the incorrect paragraph i quoted. Reagan didn't want intervention there anymore.

"We had to pull out. By then, there was no question about it: Our policy wasn't working. "


AND...

In the months and the years that followed, our experience in Lebanon led to the adoption by the administration of a set of principles to guide America in the application of military force abroad, and I would recommend it to future presidents. The policy we adopted included these principles:
The United States should not commit its forces to military action overseas unless the cause is vital to our national interest.
If the decision is made to commit our forces to combat abroad, it must be done with the clear intent and support needed to win. It should not be a halfway or tentative commitment, and there must be clearly defined and realistic objectives.
Before we commit our troops to combat, there must be reasonable assurance that the cause we are fighting for and the actions we take will have the support of the American people and Congress. (We all felt that the Vietnam War had turned into such a tragedy because military action had been undertaken without sufficient assurances that the American people were behind it.)
Even after all these other tests are met, our troops should be committed to combat abroad only as a last resort, when no other choice is available."

Sounds like Neutrality to me. Or a form of it. Ok the quote was wrong. You guys are splitting hairs.
Sounds more like Dick Cheney and George W. Bush to me. It's not at all an endorsement of neutrality. The quote was wrong and the entire case the false quote was being used to support was wrong. On foreign policy issues, Ronald Reagan was impossible to distinguish from a neocon, which is why so many neocons flocked to his administration. In fact, being a former democrat and an admirer of FDR himself, Reagan had a lot more in common with the original neocons than just his peace through strength views and his selective but aggressively interventionist foreign policy.
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