U.S. Issues Is Socialism OK?

BIG_DADDY · 02-13-2010, 01:00 PM

When looking at America do you see socialism as being OK?

Bearcat2005 · 02-13-2010, 01:02 PM

Its okay if you want to lose global economic competitiveness.

HonestChieffan · 02-13-2010, 01:03 PM

It should be opposed, fought, and stopped. There is no place for it in this country if we are to survive and prosper.

BigChiefFan · 02-13-2010, 01:08 PM

No. People would better served if they could save their own money and make their own decisions on what to do with that money than being taxed to death.

Law of supply and demand would could take care of most social issues.

Some things are nice having in the current system, but aren't necessary to use tax dollars to perform their function.

A few groups groups, would be hard to replace if they weren't functioning off of tax dollars...schools, fire departments, and the poilce department.

Schools could definitely find a solution, but fire and the police, would be hard to find a solution for, other than tax dollars.

BIG_DADDY · 02-13-2010, 01:17 PM

The Dems are not responding, interesting.

**Reaper16** · 02-13-2010, 01:19 PM

How are we using Socialism here? Are you referring to balls-out-total-socialism or socialist aspects integrated into a capitalist framework (what we have now)?

HonestChieffan · 02-13-2010, 01:25 PM

clearly worded questions bother left wing people.

**Reaper16** · 02-13-2010, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

clearly worded questions bother left wing people.

Yes. Nuance and clarification is such a bother. In lieu of such things, I'm going to vote OK.

Baby Lee · 02-13-2010, 01:29 PM

Seems like there are [at least] three arenas where this idea should be scrutinized separately.

Defense - soldiers, police, firefighters, immigration, FBI, CIA, etc.
Commercial Safety and settled markets - FDA, Product safety, tax and tariff enforcement, piracy deterrence.
Arenas where progress can still be made through innovation, or results can be optimized through striving for excellence, motivated by base instincts. - medicine, prescriptions, auto industry.

BIG_DADDY · 02-13-2010, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

How are we using Socialism here? Are you referring to balls-out-total-socialism or socialist aspects integrated into a capitalist framework (what we have now)?

You are very socialist. Everything you post supports socialism. The health care thread was the most recent example. Let's not pretend otherwise you are just being silly.

I heard that 53% of all Demorats support socialism. That's why I posted this.

Bearcat2005 · 02-13-2010, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

How are we using Socialism here? Are you referring to balls-out-total-socialism or socialist aspects integrated into a capitalist framework (what we have now)?

Yes, we do need some confins to this question. Does he mean socialism as the complete means of production being administered by the state or is he referring to a more statist version of capitalism in which there is much government intervention within the market?

Bearcat2005 · 02-13-2010, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

You are very socialist. Everything you post supports socialism. The health care thread was the most recent example. Let's not pretend otherwise you are just being silly.

I heard that 53% of all Demorats support socialism. That's why I posted this.

Where did you hear that?

HonestChieffan · 02-13-2010, 01:36 PM

Liberals must get weak in the knees having to order from a menu.

BIG_DADDY · 02-13-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Seems like there are [at least] three arenas where this idea should be scrutinized separately.

Defense - soldiers, police, firefighters, immigration, FBI, CIA, etc.
Commercial Safety and settled markets - FDA, Product safety, tax and tariff enforcement, piracy deterrence.
Arenas where progress can still be made through innovation, or results can be optimized through striving for excellence, motivated by base instincts. - medicine, prescriptions, auto industry.

I just worded it as I saw it presented. I think it goes without saying that we have to have defense, police and fire. If I were to take a guess on the original poll and certainly how I intended on this being taken here was the dramatic move we are taking towards socialism lately. Bigger government, more taxes, health care, regulation, stimulation, bailouts ect.

**patteeu** · 02-13-2010, 01:58 PM

If I could answer in my own words I would have said

I don't belong to a party and I think we have too much socialism already

so I chose what looks to me like the closest of the options

I belong to a 3rd party and do not think it is OK

although, since I typically vote Republican and almost never vote democrat I suppose I could have selected the Republican option instead.

View Poll Results: Is socializing America OK?
I am a Republican and I think it is OK	0	0%
I am a Republican and I do not think it is OK	24	34.78%
I am a Democrat and I think it is OK	3	4.35%
I am a Democrat and I do not think it is OK	6	8.70%
I belong to a 3rd party and think it is OK	0	0%
I belong to a 3rd party and do not think it is OK	34	49.28%
I don't care I just want to drink tequila rose and take a bubble bath with Gaz.	2	2.90%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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HonestChieffan Hoffa called me an SOB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $1220529	It should be opposed, fought, and stopped. There is no place for it in this country if we are to survive and prosper. __________________ "The best time to sell peanuts is when the circus is in town."
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02-13-2010, 01:08 PM	#4
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $107112	No. People would better served if they could save their own money and make their own decisions on what to do with that money than being taxed to death. Law of supply and demand would could take care of most social issues. Some things are nice having in the current system, but aren't necessary to use tax dollars to perform their function. A few groups groups, would be hard to replace if they weren't functioning off of tax dollars...schools, fire departments, and the poilce department. Schools could definitely find a solution, but fire and the police, would be hard to find a solution for, other than tax dollars. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Mateo, CA 94401 Casino cash: $56921	The Dems are not responding, interesting. __________________
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HonestChieffan Hoffa called me an SOB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $1220529	clearly worded questions bother left wing people. __________________ "The best time to sell peanuts is when the circus is in town."
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02-13-2010, 01:29 PM	#9
Baby Lee Easy Going Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: State of Sedated Bliss Casino cash: $93953	Seems like there are [at least] three arenas where this idea should be scrutinized separately. Defense - soldiers, police, firefighters, immigration, FBI, CIA, etc. Commercial Safety and settled markets - FDA, Product safety, tax and tariff enforcement, piracy deterrence. Arenas where progress can still be made through innovation, or results can be optimized through striving for excellence, motivated by base instincts. - medicine, prescriptions, auto industry. __________________ "Matthew McConaughey is a pilgrim in search of a shirt. He does not realize the shirt was inside him the whole time."
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02-13-2010, 01:36 PM	#13
HonestChieffan Hoffa called me an SOB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $1220529	Liberals must get weak in the knees having to order from a menu. __________________ "The best time to sell peanuts is when the circus is in town."
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02-13-2010, 01:58 PM	#15
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $416875	If I could answer in my own words I would have said I don't belong to a party and I think we have too much socialism already so I chose what looks to me like the closest of the options I belong to a 3rd party and do not think it is OK although, since I typically vote Republican and almost never vote democrat I suppose I could have selected the Republican option instead. __________________ Obamacare’s fix for an American health care system that the federal government long ago broke, is to give the federal government far more power over American health care; that its solution to escalating health costs is to mandate greater health benefits (and, hence, higher costs); and that its solution to the pricey overreliance on pre-paid health plans — offered by insurance companies in lieu of real insurance — is to have the government require Americans to buy those pre-paid health plans under penalty of law.
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