Obama Things looking bleak for those who support HC Takeover. Good News for the country.

HonestChieffan · 03-15-2010, 02:30 PM

Swing Districts Oppose Health Reform
Sobering poll news for 35 key House members...By HEATHER R. HIGGINS AND KELLYANNE E. CONWAY
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...779736742.html

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she plans to bring health-care reform to a vote this week. Democratic leaders cite national polls that show support for individual provisions of the bill as a reason to pass this reform. Yet vulnerable politicians should be warned: Responses to questions about individual benefits, particularly when removed from a cost context, are different from those on the whole bill.

Voters in key congressional districts are clear in their opposition to what they have seen, read and heard on health-care reform. That's one of the findings of a survey that will be released today by the Polling Company on behalf of Independent Women's Voice. The survey consisted of 1,200 registered voters in 35 districts represented by members who could determine the outcome of the health-care debate. Twenty of those members voted for the House bill in November but now may be reconsidering. Fifteen voted against the bill but are under tremendous pressure to change their vote.

The survey shows astonishing intensity and sharp opposition to reform, far more than national polls reflect. For 82% of those surveyed, the heath-care bill is either the top or one of the top three issues for deciding whom to support for Congress next November. (That number goes to 88% among independent women.) Sixty percent want Congress to start from scratch on a bipartisan health-care reform proposal or stop working on it this year. Majorities say the legislation will make them and their loved ones (53%), the economy (54%) and the U.S. health-care system (55%) worse off—quite the trifecta.

Seven in 10 would vote against a House member who votes for the Senate health-care bill with its special interest provisions. That includes 45% of self-identified Democrats, 72% of independents and 88% of Republicans. Three in four disagree that the federal government should mandate that everyone buy a government-approved insurance plan (64% strongly so), and 81% say any reform should focus first on reducing costs. Three quarters agree that Americans have the right to choose not to participate in any health-care system or plan without a penalty or fine.

That translates into specific concerns with the Senate legislation—and none of these objections would be addressed by the proposed fixes. Over 70%—indeed in several districts over 80%—of respondents, across party lines, said that the following information made them less supportive: the bill mandates that individuals purchase insurance or face penalties; it cuts Medicare Advantage; it will force potentially millions to lose existing coverage; it will cost an estimated $2.3 trillion over its first 10 years; and it will grant unprecedented new powers to the Health and Human Services secretary.

Should members from these districts and those like them be concerned? Yes. Walking the Democratic line now means walking the plank. Sixty percent of the voters surveyed will vote for a candidate who opposes the current legislation and wants to start over.

What about passing the Senate bill and then fixing problems via reconciliation, a process that could allow Congress to pass a second health-care bill with a simple Senate majority? Sixty-three percent (50% strongly) think reconciliation is at best a political promise and their congressman shouldn't vote for the Senate bill if he doesn't agree with it as written.

But the survey does provide a little good news for wavering Democrats. A congressman can buy himself a little grace if he had previously voted for health-care reform but now votes against it. Forty-nine percent of voters will feel more supportive of that member if he does so, 40% less supportive. More dramatically, 58% of voters say they will be more supportive of their congressman's re-election if he votes against the bill a second time. However, for those members who voted against it in November and vote yes this time, 61% of voters say they will be less likely to support their re-election.

Over a third of respondents say they will actively work against a candidate who votes the wrong way or for the candidate who votes the right way. Perhaps that's because dramatic pluralities of both sexes—young people, seniors and independents, regardless of whether John McCain or Barack Obama carried the district in 2008—say that if the legislation doesn't pass they will be relieved.

These are the constituents of the members whose votes will matter most this week. Perhaps, if this republic is still the people's, those members should heed those they claim to represent.

Ms. Higgins runs Independent Women's Voice. Ms. Conway is president and CEO of the Polling Company, inc./WomanTrend. Poll results will be available after 11 a.m. Monday at www.iwvoice.org.

orange · 03-15-2010, 02:56 PM

The Game Is Changed! (patent pending)

Chief Henry · 03-15-2010, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Swing Districts Oppose Health Reform
Sobering poll news for 35 key House members...By HEATHER R. HIGGINS AND KELLYANNE E. CONWAY
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...779736742.html

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she plans to bring health-care reform to a vote this week. Democratic leaders cite national polls that show support for individual provisions of the bill as a reason to pass this reform. Yet vulnerable politicians should be warned: Responses to questions about individual benefits, particularly when removed from a cost context, are different from those on the whole bill.

Voters in key congressional districts are clear in their opposition to what they have seen, read and heard on health-care reform. That's one of the findings of a survey that will be released today by the Polling Company on behalf of Independent Women's Voice. The survey consisted of 1,200 registered voters in 35 districts represented by members who could determine the outcome of the health-care debate. Twenty of those members voted for the House bill in November but now may be reconsidering. Fifteen voted against the bill but are under tremendous pressure to change their vote.

The survey shows astonishing intensity and sharp opposition to reform, far more than national polls reflect. For 82% of those surveyed, the heath-care bill is either the top or one of the top three issues for deciding whom to support for Congress next November. (That number goes to 88% among independent women.) Sixty percent want Congress to start from scratch on a bipartisan health-care reform proposal or stop working on it this year. Majorities say the legislation will make them and their loved ones (53%), the economy (54%) and the U.S. health-care system (55%) worse off—quite the trifecta.

Seven in 10 would vote against a House member who votes for the Senate health-care bill with its special interest provisions. That includes 45% of self-identified Democrats, 72% of independents and 88% of Republicans. Three in four disagree that the federal government should mandate that everyone buy a government-approved insurance plan (64% strongly so), and 81% say any reform should focus first on reducing costs. Three quarters agree that Americans have the right to choose not to participate in any health-care system or plan without a penalty or fine.

That translates into specific concerns with the Senate legislation—and none of these objections would be addressed by the proposed fixes. Over 70%—indeed in several districts over 80%—of respondents, across party lines, said that the following information made them less supportive: the bill mandates that individuals purchase insurance or face penalties; it cuts Medicare Advantage; it will force potentially millions to lose existing coverage; it will cost an estimated $2.3 trillion over its first 10 years; and it will grant unprecedented new powers to the Health and Human Services secretary.

Should members from these districts and those like them be concerned? Yes. Walking the Democratic line now means walking the plank. Sixty percent of the voters surveyed will vote for a candidate who opposes the current legislation and wants to start over.

What about passing the Senate bill and then fixing problems via reconciliation, a process that could allow Congress to pass a second health-care bill with a simple Senate majority? Sixty-three percent (50% strongly) think reconciliation is at best a political promise and their congressman shouldn't vote for the Senate bill if he doesn't agree with it as written.

But the survey does provide a little good news for wavering Democrats. A congressman can buy himself a little grace if he had previously voted for health-care reform but now votes against it. Forty-nine percent of voters will feel more supportive of that member if he does so, 40% less supportive. More dramatically, 58% of voters say they will be more supportive of their congressman's re-election if he votes against the bill a second time. However, for those members who voted against it in November and vote yes this time, 61% of voters say they will be less likely to support their re-election.

Over a third of respondents say they will actively work against a candidate who votes the wrong way or for the candidate who votes the right way. Perhaps that's because dramatic pluralities of both sexes—young people, seniors and independents, regardless of whether John McCain or Barack Obama carried the district in 2008—say that if the legislation doesn't pass they will be relieved.

These are the constituents of the members whose votes will matter most this week. Perhaps, if this republic is still the people's, those members should heed those they claim to represent.

Ms. Higgins runs Independent Women's Voice. Ms. Conway is president and CEO of the Polling Company, inc./WomanTrend. Poll results will be available after 11 a.m. Monday at www.iwvoice.org.

7 in 10 and 72% of independants in those districts would vote against the congressman which votes for the the H-C bill. The tea leaves are being read at this moment by the congressman in those districts.

The Mad Crapper · 03-16-2010, 09:36 AM

Politically, Millennials were among Barack Obama's strongest supporters in 2008, backing him for president by more than a two-to-one ratio (66% to 32%).

fully 37% of 18- to 29-year-olds are unemployed or out of the workforce, the highest share among this age group in more than three decades.

Ha ha! Suckers!

CoMoChief · 03-16-2010, 09:43 AM

Has to be hard for a dem that ACTUALLY wants to pass this, knowing that it's political suicide at this point.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-16-2010, 10:16 AM

Democrats are alienating their own voters with this pathetic, corporate driven attempt at health care. They successfully found a way to piss everyone off.

oldandslow · 03-16-2010, 10:23 AM

These things swing both ways guys...You'all will take power in 2010 in at least one of the houses, but BO will hold on to the presidency in 2012, cause I ain't seeing anyone from your side that can beat him. Repubs may or may not take the presdency in 2016, but lots of water will flow under the bridge between now and then.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-16-2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow

These things swing both ways guys...You'all will take power in 2010 in at least one of the houses, but BO will hold on to the presidency in 2012, cause I ain't seeing anyone from your side that can beat him. Repubs may or may not take the presdency in 2016, but lots of water will flow under the bridge between now and then.

Whoa. I'm not on any political side. They're both crooked as **** AFAIC. I'm just saying that Democrats have found a way to completely screw up this health care bill. You're an educated, experienced individual O&S, I'll bet you agree.

Brock · 03-16-2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow

BO will hold on to the presidency in 2012, cause I ain't seeing anyone from your side that can beat him.

I think you underestimate the buyer's remorse going on right now.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-16-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

I think you underestimate the buyer's remorse going on right now.

There is no way in **** I'm voting for him again. I don't care if they roll out Mickey Mouse against him. I've never felt so foolish over a decision I've made in my life. That may be overkill, but not by much.

oldandslow · 03-16-2010, 10:28 AM

Don't get me wrong, Brock...I will not be voting for him again. Still, lots can happen between now and 2012.

Oh, and Floppy. You are 100% correct concerning HC bill.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-16-2010, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow

Don't get me wrong, Brock...I will not be voting for him again. Still, lots can happen between now and 2012.

Oh, and Floppy. You are 100% correct concerning HC bill.

I wanted it to work. God, how I wanted it to work. But just like I knew Barrack was a liar the second he raised the cigarette taxes, I also knew he was full of shit the second he took the single payer option off the table.

**mlyonsd** · 03-16-2010, 10:32 AM

As long as guys like Chris Matthews still get a tingle up their leg Obama will win in 2012. That and like oldandslow said, there isn't a republican right now that can beat him.

BIG_DADDY · 03-16-2010, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

As long as guys like Chris Matthews still get a tingle up their leg Obama will win in 2012. That and like oldandslow said, there isn't a republican right now that can beat him.

WOW, that's all I can say about that. I think Mickey Fuggin Mouse could run and win against this clown and and take it in 2012. His shit hasn't even hit the fan yet. I love Marc Fabers take on the state of our country and how this ass clown pushed us past the point of no return.

**mlyonsd** · 03-16-2010, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

WOW, that's all I can say about that. I think Mickey Fuggin Mouse could run and win against this clown and and take it in 2012. His shit hasn't even hit the fan yet. I love Marc Fabers take on the state of our country and how this ass clown pushed us past the point of no return.

Aren't you the one that underestimated Obama in the first place and lost a bet?

03-15-2010, 02:30 PM
HonestChieffan Hoffa called me an SOB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $1220504	Things looking bleak for those who support HC Takeover. Good News for the country. Swing Districts Oppose Health Reform Sobering poll news for 35 key House members...By HEATHER R. HIGGINS AND KELLYANNE E. CONWAY http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...779736742.html House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she plans to bring health-care reform to a vote this week. Democratic leaders cite national polls that show support for individual provisions of the bill as a reason to pass this reform. Yet vulnerable politicians should be warned: Responses to questions about individual benefits, particularly when removed from a cost context, are different from those on the whole bill. Voters in key congressional districts are clear in their opposition to what they have seen, read and heard on health-care reform. That's one of the findings of a survey that will be released today by the Polling Company on behalf of Independent Women's Voice. The survey consisted of 1,200 registered voters in 35 districts represented by members who could determine the outcome of the health-care debate. Twenty of those members voted for the House bill in November but now may be reconsidering. Fifteen voted against the bill but are under tremendous pressure to change their vote. The survey shows astonishing intensity and sharp opposition to reform, far more than national polls reflect. For 82% of those surveyed, the heath-care bill is either the top or one of the top three issues for deciding whom to support for Congress next November. (That number goes to 88% among independent women.) Sixty percent want Congress to start from scratch on a bipartisan health-care reform proposal or stop working on it this year. Majorities say the legislation will make them and their loved ones (53%), the economy (54%) and the U.S. health-care system (55%) worse off—quite the trifecta. Seven in 10 would vote against a House member who votes for the Senate health-care bill with its special interest provisions. That includes 45% of self-identified Democrats, 72% of independents and 88% of Republicans. Three in four disagree that the federal government should mandate that everyone buy a government-approved insurance plan (64% strongly so), and 81% say any reform should focus first on reducing costs. Three quarters agree that Americans have the right to choose not to participate in any health-care system or plan without a penalty or fine. That translates into specific concerns with the Senate legislation—and none of these objections would be addressed by the proposed fixes. Over 70%—indeed in several districts over 80%—of respondents, across party lines, said that the following information made them less supportive: the bill mandates that individuals purchase insurance or face penalties; it cuts Medicare Advantage; it will force potentially millions to lose existing coverage; it will cost an estimated $2.3 trillion over its first 10 years; and it will grant unprecedented new powers to the Health and Human Services secretary. Should members from these districts and those like them be concerned? Yes. Walking the Democratic line now means walking the plank. Sixty percent of the voters surveyed will vote for a candidate who opposes the current legislation and wants to start over. What about passing the Senate bill and then fixing problems via reconciliation, a process that could allow Congress to pass a second health-care bill with a simple Senate majority? Sixty-three percent (50% strongly) think reconciliation is at best a political promise and their congressman shouldn't vote for the Senate bill if he doesn't agree with it as written. But the survey does provide a little good news for wavering Democrats. A congressman can buy himself a little grace if he had previously voted for health-care reform but now votes against it. Forty-nine percent of voters will feel more supportive of that member if he does so, 40% less supportive. More dramatically, 58% of voters say they will be more supportive of their congressman's re-election if he votes against the bill a second time. However, for those members who voted against it in November and vote yes this time, 61% of voters say they will be less likely to support their re-election. Over a third of respondents say they will actively work against a candidate who votes the wrong way or for the candidate who votes the right way. Perhaps that's because dramatic pluralities of both sexes—young people, seniors and independents, regardless of whether John McCain or Barack Obama carried the district in 2008—say that if the legislation doesn't pass they will be relieved. These are the constituents of the members whose votes will matter most this week. Perhaps, if this republic is still the people's, those members should heed those they claim to represent. Ms. Higgins runs Independent Women's Voice. Ms. Conway is president and CEO of the Polling Company, inc./WomanTrend. Poll results will be available after 11 a.m. Monday at www.iwvoice.org.
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03-15-2010, 02:56 PM	#2
orange MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $70871	The Game Is Changed! (patent pending)
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03-16-2010, 09:36 AM	#4
The Mad Crapper Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sea of Green 23.4° Casino cash: $45794	The Chump Generation Politically, Millennials were among Barack Obama's strongest supporters in 2008, backing him for president by more than a two-to-one ratio (66% to 32%). fully 37% of 18- to 29-year-olds are unemployed or out of the workforce, the highest share among this age group in more than three decades. Ha ha! Suckers!
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03-16-2010, 09:43 AM	#5
CoMoChief The Revolution Has Begun Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $123493	Has to be hard for a dem that ACTUALLY wants to pass this, knowing that it's political suicide at this point.
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03-16-2010, 10:16 AM	#6
Mr. Flopnuts Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Down the rabbit hole Casino cash: $113741253	Democrats are alienating their own voters with this pathetic, corporate driven attempt at health care. They successfully found a way to piss everyone off.
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03-16-2010, 10:23 AM	#7
oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $37514	These things swing both ways guys...You'all will take power in 2010 in at least one of the houses, but BO will hold on to the presidency in 2012, cause I ain't seeing anyone from your side that can beat him. Repubs may or may not take the presdency in 2016, but lots of water will flow under the bridge between now and then.
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03-16-2010, 10:28 AM	#11
oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $37514	Don't get me wrong, Brock...I will not be voting for him again. Still, lots can happen between now and 2012. Oh, and Floppy. You are 100% correct concerning HC bill.
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03-16-2010, 10:32 AM	#13
mlyonsd Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Spink, SD Casino cash: $29039	As long as guys like Chris Matthews still get a tingle up their leg Obama will win in 2012. That and like oldandslow said, there isn't a republican right now that can beat him.
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