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Old 03-18-2010, 03:51 PM  
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Catholic Pope officially full of shit

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...dinal-law.html

A priest is discovered to have been actively molesting children. His superior is notified in 1980. One of the things he is told of is the priest's forcing an 11 year old boy to perform oral sex on him. The superior does not contact the police. He approves a transfer of the priest to a different city, where the priest is required to undergo therapy but is also subsequently able to resume his work with access to children. Six years later, the priest is again found guilty of abusing children. This time, he serves a sentence, but he is subsequently allowed to resume work as a priest, with the church authorities hiding his past from future parishes, and is only removed from his position three days ago.

Joseph Ratzinger was the superior, he reviewed the man's files in 1980, and he was subsequently in charge of reviewing all sex abuse cases as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine Of The Faith in Rome. He was integral to the policy of hushing up as much of this as possible. Money quote:

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Hundreds of victims have come forward in recent months in Germany with accounts of sexual abuse from decades past. But no case has captured the attention of the nation like that of Father Hullermann, not only because of the involvement of the future pope, but also because of the impunity that allowed a child molester to continue to work with altar boys and girls for decades after his conviction.

Benedict not only served as the archbishop of the diocese where the priest worked, but also later as the cardinal in charge of reviewing sexual abuse cases for the Vatican. Yet until the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising announced that Father Hullermann had been suspended on Monday, he continued to serve in a series of Bavarian parishes.

In 1980, the future pope reviewed the case of Father Hullermann, who was accused of sexually abusing boys in the Diocese of Essen, including forcing an 11-year-old boy to perform oral sex. The future pope approved his transfer to Munich.
We don't know what lies ahead in Germany but if the story follows the pattern in the US, Australia and Ireland, the number of victims will grow, and the church hierarchy will at first blame anti-Catholic media for attacking the church, and at some point, the whole grisly truth will come out. Except this time, the current Pope himself will be - and already is - at the center of the storm.

If this person headed a secular organization, or if he were a politician, he would be forced to resign. Why are the standards for the Catholic church so much lower on tolerance of child abuse than the rest of society? On what grounds can this Pope reprimand bishops and priests in Ireland or the US when he seems deeply entangled in the same kind of cover-ups himself?

When, in other words, will the real victims come first? And moral responsibility meaningfully taken?
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Old 03-18-2010, 04:09 PM   #2
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add anti catholic to anti semitic to the qualities of the left
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Old 03-18-2010, 04:14 PM   #3
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So the Church discovered abuse and then punished the abuser but that punishment didn't permanently reform the culprit. What's the problem again? Does secular punishment result in zero recidivism?
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:48 PM   #4
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Another thread about religion started by a man that does not even believe in God.
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Old 03-18-2010, 09:44 PM   #5
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What is your problem with the article? I can't imagine you supporting the hiding/protection of a sexual abuser so that they can abuse again.
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Old 03-18-2010, 10:29 PM   #6
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What is your problem with the article? I can't imagine you supporting the hiding/protection of a sexual abuser so that they can abuse again.
Nobody hid a sexual abuser so that they could abuse again.
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:11 PM   #7
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Religion period, is some of the biggest bullshit known to mankind.

I believe there is a god. A Creator of all beings and living things/organisms etc.. But I also believe in evolution.
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Old 03-19-2010, 12:12 AM   #8
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But I also believe in evolution.
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Old 03-19-2010, 12:45 AM   #9
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Nobody hid a sexual abuser so that they could abuse again.
Andrew Sullivan makes a legitimate point though. If these allegations were raised by any secular agency, we'd see massive support against the person in charge.

For whatever reason, the Catholic church has shown a lower standard in addressing child sexual abuse as the rest of the public. Can you imagine the outcry if this came from the Boy Scouts or YMCA youth?
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Old 03-19-2010, 01:45 AM   #10
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The Catholic Pope is an asshole.

But the Lutheran Pope is a pretty cool guy.

Just don't get me started on the Episcopalian Pope.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:58 AM   #11
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http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...dinal-law.html

A priest is discovered to have been actively molesting children. His superior is notified in 1980. One of the things he is told of is the priest's forcing an 11 year old boy to perform oral sex on him. The superior does not contact the police. He approves a transfer of the priest to a different city, where the priest is required to undergo therapy but is also subsequently able to resume his work with access to children.

Was it the same therapy US priests got? That is: reams of child pornography to read and look at daily while their weenies were hooked up to a peter-meter? Has a horrific success rate.

So the RCC uses the same "Passing of the Trash" that's use by the public school system in the United States?


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After being shown papers detailing Crane's inappropriate behavior in Manchester, the Akron superintendent said to a reporter, "No other district would have hired that individual knowing what you just showed me in that file."

"It's called 'passing the trash,'" says Kansas State University professor Robert Shoop, an expert witness in nearly 50 school abuse cases. "I've worked with individuals who are in their fourth or fifth district, and you find out they've been molesting people for 20 years."

This shuffling of sleazy characters from school district to school district is just one way we're failing to fully protect our children. It's no small concern: In 2004, a U.S. Department of Education study found that nearly 10 percent of public school students have endured unwanted sexual attention from school employees, and close to 7 percent had experienced actual sexual contact -- anything from pinching to kissing to outright molestation.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:06 AM   #12
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Andrew Sullivan makes a legitimate point though. If these allegations were raised by any secular agency, we'd see massive support against the person in charge.
No you wouldn't. The public school system does the same thing with offenders-just not all of them. It's called Passing the Trash. See above.

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For whatever reason, the Catholic church has shown a lower standard in addressing child sexual abuse as the rest of the public. Can you imagine the outcry if this came from the Boy Scouts or YMCA youth?
Their standard is no lower than the public school system's. And if you don't think sexual abuse hasn't been going on in Boy Scouts think again because it has. I know a counselor who I worked with when my daughter was in Girl Scouts tell me how often grown adult men have confessed to her that they were abused in Boy Scouts by the troop leader. There was also that huge sex sting where children were exploited and abused and most of the people involved in it were professions that dealt with children in a position of trust: teachers, counselors, ministers even etc. Pedophiles go where there are children. Period.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:08 AM   #13
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What is your problem with the article? I can't imagine you supporting the hiding/protection of a sexual abuser so that they can abuse again.
Well, I'd say he has a bit of a point because we only hear about this when it's the RCC church. The other faiths have pedophiles too. It's about the same percentage too.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:28 AM   #14
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Nobody hid a sexual abuser so that they could abuse again.
So wait. Forget that this is a religious organization.

An employer discovers that an employee has engaged in extremely inappropriate conduct with a minor child. They transfer him to another location, and put them back into a position that involves extensive contact with minors.

What do you think should happen to the employer under these circumstances?
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:30 AM   #15
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Well, I'd say he has a bit of a point because we only hear about this when it's the RCC church. The other faiths have pedophiles too. It's about the same percentage too.
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