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Old 03-20-2010, 02:17 PM  
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Report: House To Drop “Deem And Pass” Strategy

Report: House To Drop “Deem And Pass” Strategy
By: David Dayen Saturday March 20, 2010 11:34 am

Multiple reports say that the House will drop the “deem and pass” strategy and instead hold three separate votes on Sunday – a vote on the rule, a vote on reconciliation, and a vote on the Senate bill. Dennis Cardoza, who criticized the “deem and pass” strategy of consolidating two votes into one, praised the Democratic leadership for taking that away. “Sanity prevailed,” Cardoza said.

Given that the worry about Cardoza mainly came from his issues with deem and pass, I would guess that he’ll come home and vote for the bill now. But we’ll exercise caution.

The right-wing freakout over “deem and pass” was massively hypocritical, but once they pushed the media into calling a perfectly normal procedure unconstitutional, the utility of doing it faded away. One wonders what Republicans will freak out about now.

http://news.firedoglake.com/
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Old 03-20-2010, 02:18 PM   #2
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So their strategy is to talk about doing something even more underhanded than reconciliation. Then, when they back off of it and go to reconciliation, they can pretend that they are doing something other than thwarting the will of the people through procedural sleight of hand. Kind of smart, actually.
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Old 03-20-2010, 02:25 PM   #3
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One wonders what Republicans will freak out about now.

http://news.firedoglake.com/
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So their strategy is to talk about doing something even more underhanded than reconciliation. Then, when they back off of it and go to reconciliation, they can pretend that they are doing something other than thwarting the will of the people through procedural sleight of hand. Kind of smart, actually.
Back to "reconciliation." As they say, there's no dog like an old dog.

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Old 03-20-2010, 02:28 PM   #4
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And we have our answer:


Back to "reconciliation." As they say, there's no dog like an old dog.

That's your idea of freaking out? Whatever fits your paradigm, I guess.
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Old 03-20-2010, 02:30 PM   #5
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My paradigm is to get back to "thwarting the will of the people."

What's yours?
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Old 03-20-2010, 02:58 PM   #6
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The sleaze factor for them is so high and so complete nothing will surprise anyone at this point. November will be a bloodbath for democrats.
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:23 PM   #7
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They dropped it because they won't need it. They've had 216 votes the moment they scheduled a Sunday vote and hung the bill on teh intrawebs.

Think about it: imagine the vote coming up 215-215 (which means it fails). Nan-nan says, "Fine, even though it just failed, we'll "deem" it passed and proceed", all on C-Span.

People would storm the capitol building with pitchforks.

Nah, they got at least 216 votes... yesterday and today are pure theater.
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:35 PM   #8
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So what does this even mean?
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:42 PM   #9
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So what does this even mean?
It really doesn't mean much.
  • There will be three roll call votes tomorrow instead of two.
  • Poor Mark Levin's lawsuit will never get filed. He'll have to do something else as a fundraiser.
  • And Republicans will have to find some other outrageous dismantling of the Founders' Christian Constitution to freak out about.

And the rest of the world will go on as if nothing happened.
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:43 PM   #10
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But the bill will not be passed is that correct?
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:45 PM   #11
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But the bill will not be passed is that correct?
No the Bill will be voted on and (I believe) passed. They'll just use the long-form procedure instead of combining two votes into one.
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:47 PM   #12
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No the Bill will be voted on and (I believe) passed. They'll just use the long-form procedure instead of combining two votes into one.
And I hope you believe wrong
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:08 PM   #13
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Well if the don't deem it the what the hell is the vote for reconciliation for? If they pass the Senate bill it's over. Is it not? Why can't it go straight to the President right then and there?
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:11 PM   #14
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Because they don't WANT the unamended Senate bill. And the Senate Democrats have promised to amend their bill with reconciliation after the President signs it.

The Senate bill will indeed go to the President and be signed. Only if the Senate pulls a fast one will it not come up for reconciliation, though. That's why Pelosi, Hoyer et al have been seeking "blood oaths" from the Senate that they will take it up.
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Old 03-20-2010, 05:15 PM   #15
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They've had 216 votes the moment they scheduled a Sunday vote and hung the bill on teh intrawebs.

That's not true. They made a calculated gamble that they could get the votes by Sunday. They are currently short, but within 24 hours, they can probably find them.
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