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Old 03-21-2010, 10:58 PM  
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:08 PM   #2
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-The bankruptcy of America will repeal this bill.

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:22 PM   #3
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:25 PM   #4
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:27 PM   #5
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The only constitutional issue he raises - and it's gossamer-flimsy - is over the Executive Order.

HERE is the Executive Order.

Please point out anything that's REMOTELY unconstitutional.


EXECUTIVE ORDER

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ENSURING ENFORCEMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF ABORTION RESTRICTIONS IN THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (approved March __, 2010), I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Policy. Following the recent passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“the Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this Executive Order is to establish a comprehensive, government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors—Federal officials, state officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers—are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.

The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly-created health insurance exchanges. Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience (such as the Church Amendment, 42 U.S.C. §300a-7, and the Weldon Amendment, Pub. L. No. 111-8, §508(d)(1) (2009)) remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

Numerous executive agencies have a role in ensuring that these restrictions are enforced, including the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Office of Personnel Management (OPM).

Section 2. Strict Compliance with Prohibitions on Abortion Funding in Health Insurance Exchanges. The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges that will be operational in 2014. The Act also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires state health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, OMB funds management circulars, and accounting guidance provided by the Government Accountability Office.
I hereby direct the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS to develop, within 180 days of the date of this Executive Order, a model set of segregation guidelines for state health insurance commissioners to use when determining whether exchange plans are complying with the Act’s segregation requirements, established in Section 1303 of the Act, for enrollees receiving Federal financial assistance. The guidelines shall also offer technical information that states should follow to conduct independent regular audits of insurance companies that participate in the health insurance exchanges. In developing these model guidelines, the Director of OMB and the Secretary of HHS shall consult with executive agencies and offices that have relevant expertise in accounting principles, including, but not limited to, the Department of the Treasury, and with the Government Accountability Office. Upon completion of those model guidelines, the Secretary of HHS should promptly initiate a rulemaking to issue regulations, which will have the force of law, to interpret the Act’s segregation requirements, and shall provide guidance to state health insurance commissioners on how to comply with the model guidelines.

Section 3. Community Health Center Program. The Act establishes a new Community Health Center (CHC) Fund within HHS, which provides additional Federal funds for the community health center program. Existing law prohibits these centers from using federal funds to provide abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), as a result of both the Hyde Amendment and longstanding regulations containing the Hyde language. Under the Act, the Hyde language shall apply to the authorization and appropriations of funds for Community Health Centers under section 10503 and all other relevant provisions. I hereby direct the Secretary of HHS to ensure that program administrators and recipients of Federal funds are aware of and comply with the limitations on abortion services imposed on CHCs by existing law. Such actions should include, but are not limited to, updating Grant Policy Statements that accompany CHC grants and issuing new interpretive rules.

Section 4. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this Executive Order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) authority granted by law or presidential directive to an agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This Executive Order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This Executive Order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:28 PM   #6
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I will leave this forum forever (DC) if this is EVER considered unconstitutional.

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:35 PM   #7
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Question: "Time frame for catastophe - 2-3 years like you said before, or sooner?"

RP "Well, um, some unknowable time in some unknowable future, um"

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Question: "This 'unconstitutional' Executive Order - can it be overruled?"

RP "Well, um, not really. They haven't really ever upheld MY view of the Constitution. Don't expect them to start now."

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Old 03-21-2010, 11:36 PM   #8
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if this is EVER considered unconstitutional.
Paul knows better. See my last post - paraphrasing his answer at about 4:30.

Just bluster for his loyal audience.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:40 PM   #9
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I will leave this forum forever (DC) if this is EVER considered unconstitutional.

Promise. You have my word.
Right. Leftist people are pussies. Now thats a news flash.
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:43 AM   #10
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You mean the government dipping it's hands once again, into the private sector only this time is forcing American's to buy a serivce and fine them if they don't.........isn't unconstitutional? Where does it say in the constitution where you have a right to HC?
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:33 AM   #11
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I will leave this forum forever (DC) if this is EVER considered unconstitutional.

Promise. You have my word.
safe comment from you.......do you think the very people who conjured up this bullshit will admit or allow the Supreme Court to declare it?
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:44 AM   #12
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-The bankruptcy of America will repeal this bill.

sad, but true.
Gary North is predicting all programs are going to go bellyup from lack of funds. Austrian economists are predicting worse economic collapse by 2012 even before the HC bill was passed.

The social democracies of Europe are bankrupt and having trouble too.

My only fear is a dictatorship stepping in due to the chaos. Exactly, what commies like to see happen—anarchy. So they can implement their final stage. Meanwhile, there's a host of useful idiots on both sides of the aisle to facilitate the whole thing. Like BIG spending Rs, and unpopular wars that made it easy for a communist to be ushered into the WH.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:45 AM   #13
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Right. Leftist people are pussies. Now thats a news flash.
I wouldn't say that. The Bolsheviks weren't pussies.
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:48 AM   #14
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The only constitutional issue he raises - and it's gossamer-flimsy - is over the Executive Order.

HERE is the Executive Order.

Please point out anything that's REMOTELY unconstitutional.
Coercing private citizens in a free country to buy insurance.
Now, as to the rest, if you want to rely on unConstitutional precedents then no.
If you want to rely on the original document and it's words the whole thing is unConstitutional. The Progressive Left ( in both parties) has been eroding the document for years. That does not make it Constitutional. It just makes it force.
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