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Old 03-22-2010, 10:21 AM  
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Great Speech By Paul Ryan

I know you guys are probably sick of my pimping of Paul Ryan, but this was a great speech.

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Old 03-22-2010, 10:48 AM   #2
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:53 AM   #3
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:00 AM   #4
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"... the ideas that made this country great."

Like eliminating Social Security for everyone under 55. (Paul Ryan's Roadmap To America's Future)

What a laugh. Why do only no-hoper extremists seem to get any support around here?

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Old 03-22-2010, 11:00 AM   #5
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:13 AM   #6
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I'm pimpin Ryan for a potential VP nod in 2012. If he continues to show the action he has taken against the libs in the Dems and the libs in his own party he'll have my support and respect. And orange, why should I pay for SS when I will never see it because it will be broke by the time I retire. I'd rather get to invest that extra money as I see fit and save it back for retirement myself.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:16 AM   #7
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Why do Ryan and some other Republicans refuse to untether healthcare from employment?

Anyone know enough about his position to give a straight answer???
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:16 AM   #8
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And orange, why should I pay for SS when I will never see it because it will be broke by the time I retire?
Because orange has no ideas that aren't democrat ideas, and that should be reason enough for you.
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And orange, why should I pay for SS when I will never see it because it will be broke by the time I retire. I'd rather get to invest that extra money as I see fit and save it back for retirement myself.
You will see it because it will be fixed and propped up like it's always been. And you don't get to "invest that extra money as I see fit" because when your personal favorite bubble bursts, the rest of us don't want you to become a ward of the state at our expense. And you don't get to "save it back for retirement myself" because in practice most people don't do that unless required - which created the conditions that enabled and required the law to be passed.

And it's amazingly popular because everyone of a certain age has gotten checks and know the benefit. And that's why Paul Ryan is a no-hoper.

What happened to Bush's modest attempt to tamper with SS? Now try to convince the country to get rid of it entirely. Ain't happening.
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:33 AM   #10
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I'm pimpin Ryan for a potential VP nod in 2012. If he continues to show the action he has taken against the libs in the Dems and the libs in his own party he'll have my support and respect. And orange, why should I pay for SS when I will never see it because it will be broke by the time I retire. I'd rather get to invest that extra money as I see fit and save it back for retirement myself.
Yeah, he seems to be more outspoken lately, and it kind of seems like he's become one of the party leaders. I wouldn't be surprised if he's being groomed for a bigger role in the party. I could definitely see a VP nod in 2012. I'd love to see him run for President, but 2012 may be a little too soon.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:17 PM   #11
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You will see it because it will be fixed and propped up like it's always been. And you don't get to "invest that extra money as I see fit" because when your personal favorite bubble bursts, the rest of us don't want you to become a ward of the state at our expense. And you don't get to "save it back for retirement myself" because in practice most people don't do that unless required - which created the conditions that enabled and required the law to be passed.

And it's amazingly popular because everyone of a certain age has gotten checks and know the benefit. And that's why Paul Ryan is a no-hoper.

What happened to Bush's modest attempt to tamper with SS? Now try to convince the country to get rid of it entirely. Ain't happening.
First of all, if my retirement savings failed, I wouldn't go to the state. That is what my local church helps out with. Secondly, propping up SS is creating a bubble the same way that you speak out against with investments. Eventually the reality is going to hit us when the baby boomers have finally exhausted the SS system. I just want to have control and succeed or fail on my own. So, that being said try and answer my question....WHY should I be forced to pay for something that will fail/ or to look at it subjectively COULD fail; when I could arguably have the same, if not better, returns and risk with controling my own retirement savings and investments? The government doesn't care if I can retire with dignity. Anyone who uses common sense and little intelligence shouldn't EVER have to retire on SS income alone. You just have to start early and make difficult decisions with delayed gratifitcation.
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"... the ideas that made this country great."

Like eliminating Social Security for everyone under 55. (Paul Ryan's Roadmap To America's Future)

What a laugh. Why do only no-hoper extremists seem to get any support around here?
I like that though. That's just your values.
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Old 03-22-2010, 07:57 PM   #13
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Why do Ryan and some other Republicans refuse to untether healthcare from employment?

Anyone know enough about his position to give a straight answer???
Now, that is a reform I could support, particularly since it was due to the govt that it became tethered.
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