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Old 03-23-2010, 12:21 PM  
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Are conservatives the new fascists?

It's time to put the correct label on the modern conservative movement, but if all if you think I'm being sensationalist and out of line, than lets check the FACTS. Citing the infallible source of wikipedia, lets delve in to what fascists actually believed.

"Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement."

Conservatives believe differently, but not really, anybody remember the patriot act?

Strike one conservatives,


Next, "Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept."

OH HELL YEAH, This is the bread and butter of the conservative movement.

Strike two conservatives.


"In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism. This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour."

Anybody remember the Bush bailout?

Strike three, conservatives, or should I say, fascists? And finally, on to the most damning evidence of all, we look at the chairman of the national republican committee.


Michael Stephen Steele


Take the fourth letter of his first name, the second letter of his first name, the second letter of his last name, the last letter in his first name and the last letter in his last name, and what do you get?


Hitle.

And if five letters out of Adolf's last name wasn't damning enough, let's take a gander at his wife's name.

Andrea Derritt Steele, So now, let us take the third letter of her middle name, and add that to the end of what we built with Michael's name, and see what we end up with.

Hitler.

It pained me to have to share this with you all, but the evidence is incontrovertible.


I apologize for being the bearer of such terrible news.

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Old 03-23-2010, 12:33 PM   #2
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Old 03-23-2010, 12:49 PM   #3
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On the off chance that this is not some misguided attempt at humor.

IMO- The Republican party has lost its way. The Republican party I grew up with was more like the Libertarian party is today. Their setbacks in the house and Executive branch have in some ways at least reminded them of what they are supposed to stand for. Less government, more personal freedoms, less taxes that sort of thing. They lost their way not from being Fascist (though they certainly have gotten in the habit of pushing their version of morality) but from not being very different from the democratic party. The party trying to claim to be financially responsible did a miserable good under the Bush administration and needed an even more massive kick in the wallet by this Congress and this Administration to wake up just a little bit. I would imagine the percentage of United States citizens that in some way or form have their hand in the government trough has not got to be over 50%. That is a good way to buy votes. By the way Wikipedia kinda sucks.

Lets see.

"Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement."

Conservatives believe differently, but not really, anybody remember the patriot act?

Strike one conservatives.

Liberals believe differently but not really, Remember anyone who criticizes the President is a bigot.

Strike one Liberals

"Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept."

OH HELL YEAH, This is the bread and butter of the conservative movement.

Strike two conservatives.

Liberals promote class envy in painting successful companies and individuals as taking advantage of the have nots and promotes taking from those that have and giving to the have nots.

Strike two liberals.

Anybody remember the Bush bailouts?

Strike 3 Conservative

Anyone remember the stimulus package

Strike 3 Liberals.

Looks like both parties have stuck out. How about they take a decade or two off. I think we could do better.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:06 PM   #4
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In the dichotomy of this discussion, lets distinguish the words Republican and Conservative, these are not interchangeable words. Secondly, fascism comes from many ideological perspectives. One can make the argument that through crony capitalist policies, along with attacks on civil liberties and undeclared wars abroad, that the Bush years were a step in that direction. However one can make the same argument with the broadening of executive powers, growth of federal economic control, the federal reserve policies redistributing wealth from poor to rich and the continuation of undeclared wars under the Obama administration as a step in that direction. So at this point we are left with the choice of which poison to take. I prefer neither
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:11 PM   #5
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Conservatives didn't just vote to force people into the corrall gates of the insurance industry, so no, it's still the liberals who are the new fascists.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:12 PM   #6
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Conservatives didn't just vote to force people into the corrall gates of the insurance industry, so no, it's still the liberals who are the new fascists.
Yeah. Hitler made sure the jews had an excellent health care plan. Good one.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:14 PM   #7
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In the stage play "Born Yesterday", Harry Brock sadly comments on his girlfriend Billy Dawn calling him a "Fascist"

"I don't understand" Harry says, "She knows I was born in New Jersey."

(Hey, that line got a huge laugh every performance.)
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:17 PM   #8
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Yeah. Hitler made sure the jews had an excellent health care plan. Good one.
Fascism usually starts out as moral presumption.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:19 PM   #9
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Yeah. Hitler made sure the jews had an excellent health care plan. Good one.
He wanted the COUNTRY to have an excellent healthcare plan. By country, I mean the Volk. Hitler never considered Jews to be German citizens, not even in 1933. From the very get go, they didn't count.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:45 PM   #10
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Yeah. Hitler made sure the jews had an excellent health care plan. Good one.
You are the Majesty of the Straw Man. You command a straw man argument like nobody I've ever known. I'm not sure what your point has to do with anything that I said, but go get that strawman boy!
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:47 PM   #11
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If using government force to require people to purchase corporate goods or services against their will isn't fascism, then there is no such thing as fascism. This is a radical use of government. They are forcing an entire nation of people onto corporate insurance rolls. That's textbook fascism.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:50 PM   #12
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He wanted the COUNTRY to have an excellent healthcare plan. By country, I mean the Volk. Hitler never considered Jews to be German citizens, not even in 1933. From the very get go, they didn't count.
Yeah, the racial superiority and treatment of minorities components are pretty central elements in fascism.
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Old 03-23-2010, 01:52 PM   #13
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If using government force to require people to purchase corporate goods or services against their will isn't fascism, then there is no such thing as fascism. This is a radical use of government. They are forcing people onto corporate insurance rolls.
Hear this? Every state insurance commisioner requiring you to have auto liability insurance = Hitler!

if that isn't fascism I don't know what is. I don't know, how about something that meets the defintion for a start?

Main Entry: fas∑cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
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Yeah, the racial superiority and treatment of minorities components are pretty central elements in fascism.

That's moronic. You are moronic.
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