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Old 03-29-2010, 01:51 AM  
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This is an interesting article. While the movement has a lot of good points it has always seemed IMO as a group of people that want to emote, more so than a political movement that has real goals. There is nothing wrong with wanting to vent of course. The tea party movement strikes me as the message board poster who would rather argue then see what he or she is advancing in that argument come to reality.

Anyway, thats just me. I could be off base. Interesting parts in bold.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us...gewanted=print

By KATE ZERNIKE
SOUTH BEND, Ind. — When Tom Grimes lost his job as a financial consultant 15 months ago, he called his congressman, a Democrat, for help getting government health care.

Then he found a new full-time occupation: Tea Party activist.


In the last year, he has organized a local group and a statewide coalition, and even started a “bus czar” Web site to marshal protesters to Washington on short notice. This month, he mobilized 200 other Tea Party activists to go to the local office of the same congressman to protest what he sees as the government’s takeover of health care.

Mr. Grimes is one of many Tea Party members jolted into action by economic distress. At rallies, gatherings and training sessions in recent months, activists often tell a similar story in interviews: they had lost their jobs, or perhaps watched their homes plummet in value, and they found common cause in the Tea Party’s fight for lower taxes and smaller government.

The Great Depression, too, mobilized many middle-class people who had fallen on hard times. Though, as Michael Kazin, the author of “The Populist Persuasion,” notes, they tended to push for more government involvement. The Tea Party vehemently wants less — though a number of its members acknowledge that they are relying on government programs for help.

Mr. Grimes, who receives Social Security, has filled the back seat of his Mercury Grand Marquis with the literature of the movement, including Glenn Beck’s “Arguing With Idiots” and Frederic Bastiat’s “The Law,” which denounces public benefits as “false philanthropy.”

“If you quit giving people that stuff, they would figure out how to do it on their own,” Mr. Grimes said.

The fact that many of them joined the Tea Party after losing their jobs raises questions of whether the movement can survive an improvement in the economy, with people trading protest signs for paychecks.

But for now, some are even putting their savings into work that they argue is more important than a job — planning candidate forums and get-out-the-vote operations, researching arguments about the constitutional limits on Congress and using Facebook to attract recruits.

“Even if I wanted to stop, I just can’t,” said Diana Reimer, 67, who has become a star of the effort by FreedomWorks, a Tea Party group, to fight the health care overhaul. “I’m on a mission, and time is not on my side.”

A year ago, Ms. Reimer’s husband had been given a choice — retire or be fired. The couple had been trying to sell their split-level home in suburban Philadelphia to pay off some debt and move to a small place in the city.

But real estate agents told them the home would sell for about $40,000 less than they paid 19 years ago — not enough to pay off their mortgage.

Then Ms. Reimer saw a story about the Tea Party on television. “I said, ‘That’s it,’ ” she recalled. “How can you get this frustration out, have your voices heard?”

She liked that the Tea Party was patriotic, too. “They said the Pledge of Allegiance and sang the national anthem,” she said.

She had taken a job selling sportswear at Macy’s. But when her husband found her up early and late taking care of Tea Party business, he urged her to take a leave. When the store did not allow one, she quit.

“I guess I just found my calling,” she said.

Ms. Reimer, now a national coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, also found a community. Directing protesters to Congressional offices on Capitol Hill before the vote on health care this month, Representative Steve King, an Iowa Republican who has become a Tea Party hero, stopped to welcome her by name. “I should have known you’d be here,” he said, embracing her.

A Tea Party member from North Carolina recognized Ms. Reimer from Massachusetts, where she led crews knocking on doors in the snow for Scott Brown, the state’s new Republican senator. “Our slave master,” the man said, greeting her.

Ms. Reimer often wells up talking about her work. “I’m respected,” she said, her voice breaking. “I don’t know why. I don’t know what is so special. But I’m willing to do it.”

She and others who receive government benefits like Medicare and Social Security said they paid into those programs, so they are getting what they deserve.

“All I know is government was put here for certain reasons,” Ms. Reimer said. “They were not put here to run banks, insurance companies, and health care and automobile companies. They were put here to keep us safe.”

She has no patience for the Obama administration’s bailouts and its actions on health care. “I just don’t trust this government,” Ms. Reimer said.

Jeff McQueen, 50, began organizing Tea Party groups in Michigan and Ohio after losing his job in auto parts sales. “Being unemployed and having some time, I realized I just couldn’t sit on the couch anymore,” he said. “I had the time to get involved.”

He began producing what he calls the flag of the Second American Revolution, and drove 700 miles to campaign for Mr. Brown under its banner. Flag sales, so far, are not making him much. But he sees a bigger cause.

“The founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor,” he said. “They believed in it so much that they would sacrifice. That’s the kind of loyalty to this country that we stand for.”

He blames the government for his unemployment. “Government is absolutely responsible, not because of what they did recently with the car companies, but what they’ve done since the 1980s,” he said. “The government has allowed free trade and never set up any rules.”

He and others do not see any contradictions in their arguments for smaller government even as they argue that it should do more to prevent job loss or cuts to Medicare. After a year of angry debate, emotion outweighs fact.

“If you don’t trust the mindset or the value system of the people running the system, you can’t even look at the facts anymore,” Mr. Grimes said.

Tea Party groups like FreedomWorks recognize that they are benefiting from the labor of many people who have been hit hard economically. But its chairman, the former House majority leader Dick Armey, argued that their ranks will remain strong — and connected — even as members find work.

“I see these folks as pretty much the National Guard,” Mr. Armey said. “They will go back to their day jobs, they will go back to their Little League and their bridge club. But they will have their activism at the ready, and they will stay in touch.”

Mr. Grimes, for his part, is thinking of getting a part-time job with the Census Bureau. But he is also planning, he said, to teach high school students about the Constitution and limits on government powers.

“I don’t think that the unemployment thing is going to change,” he said.

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Old 03-29-2010, 02:01 AM   #2
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Taco is usually an interesting read in DC but I have to admit I am surprised that he sees this movement (based on what I remember reading) as noble as he does.

It seems pretty shallow with things like that last bolded quote.
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:06 AM   #3
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I'm surprised anyone on the left would have anything to say at all about what these people do and say, considering the history of demonstrators and protesters from the left the past couple of decades.
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Old 03-29-2010, 08:28 AM   #4
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I'm surprised anyone on the left would have anything to say at all about what these people do and say, considering the history of demonstrators and protesters from the left the past couple of decades.
I would have to agree.


The left side has been doing this stuff for decades. Why is it such a big deal that the right is up in arms?


I think that people that really matter are too busy for this kind of bullshit, but that's just me.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:22 AM   #5
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The tea party movement strikes me as the message board poster who would rather argue then see what he or she is advancing in that argument come to reality.

Anyway, thats just me. I could be off base. Interesting parts in bold.
It's not just you; a lot of people would like to think the tea party movement is a bunch of hype...especially politicians...it helps them sleep better at night.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:44 AM   #6
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I would have to agree.


The left side has been doing this stuff for decades. Why is it such a big deal that the right is up in arms?


I think that people that really matter are too busy for this kind of bullshit, but that's just me.
Because when the right protests it hurts the feelings of the sensitive left.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:51 AM   #7
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It is quite ironic that tea baggers had no problem with our government spending BILLIONS of $$$s in the invasion/occupaion of Iraq... talk about a complete waste of the tax payers dollars.

The classic neo-con response will be that it is okay to spend on national defense and they will then try to convince everyone that Iraq in 2003 under Saddam (with no WMDs, a military in shambles and no connection to 9/11) was somehow a threat to our national security.

The tea baggers and the GOP should be forced to explain why they were perfectly fine spending tax payers dollars in Iraq, but have a problem spending on the healthcare of American citizens.

Is Iraq a better investment than the healthcare of American citizens?
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:52 AM   #8
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The difference between the Tea Party activists and the Pro-Bama activists is that they Tea Partiers actually mean this, they are putting their own wealth out and organizing themselves...the left has SEIU and a ton of money. The Tea Party movement survives because it is REAL and based on REAL outrage.
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It is quite ironic that tea baggers had no problem with our government spending BILLIONS of $$$s in the invasion/occupaion of Iraq...
Speak for yourself. However I don't view it as a total waste.
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It is quite ironic that tea baggers had no problem with our government spending BILLIONS of $$$s in the invasion/occupaion of Iraq... talk about a complete waste of the tax payers dollars.
I tend to agree with this sentiment, but better late, than never, IMO.
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I would have to agree.


The left side has been doing this stuff for decades. Why is it such a big deal that the right is up in arms?


I think that people that really matter are too busy for this kind of bullshit, but that's just me.
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I'm surprised anyone on the left would have anything to say at all about what these people do and say, considering the history of demonstrators and protesters from the left the past couple of decades.
And they were always made fun of (sometimes justifiably) for being fringe whack jobs or slackers without jobs. But now its supposed to be really noble.
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It's not just you; a lot of people would like to think the tea party movement is a bunch of hype...especially politicians...it helps them sleep better at night.
I am not seeing a lot of difference between all of this and the "hope and change" build up that gets so much ridicule.

Everyone is like...ok you are going for hope and change...and then what...

For this it is...

You want to change who is in congress...and then what...

It seems when people want to emote...like in both of these instances it is really easy to do. But when these movements have the power to do actionable things. Well, that is a different story.
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I am not seeing a lot of difference between all of this and the "hope and change" build up that gets so much ridicule.

Everyone is like...ok you are going for hope and change...and then what...

For this it is...

You want to change who is in congress...and then what...

It seems when people want to emote...like in both of these instances it is really easy to do. But when these movements have the power to do actionable things. Well, that is a different story.
I think you're largely oversimplifying the birth and development of the Tea Party movement; it's not even close to those who embraced "Hope and Change" IMO. These people are reacting to real issues that they are genuinely angry about and are going to impact this country; not just glomming on to an idealogy like Hope and Change.
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I think you're largely oversimplifying the birth and development of the Tea Party movement; it's not even close to those who embraced "Hope and Change" IMO. These people are reacting to real issues that they are genuinely angry about and are going to impact this country; not just glomming on to an idealogy like Hope and Change.
Ah yes, the "I know you are but what am I" approach. Good show.
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Ah yes, the "I know you are but what am I" approach. Good show.
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