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Old 04-18-2010, 10:53 PM  
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Are multiple 2nd rd picks more valuable?

Sorry if this is covered in the other draft threads, but they are huge and intimidating and I don't really want to read through all of the personal attacks on Mecca

I was thinking about this the other day. Given that a lot of our first-round picks have been busts, can you get just as good of a player in the 2nd round? If so, why wouldn't you at least WANT to trade down to the 2nd round to pick up more players, and as a bonus, pay them less than first-rounder money?
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:55 PM   #2
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If you can't hit on a 1st round pick what makes you think you can hit on a lower pick?

And for the most part no you can't get as good of a player.
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Old 04-18-2010, 10:57 PM   #3
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This year second round picks are very valuable.. especially if you get more than just a second round pick in trading down. This is a deep year, you want all the picks in the first five rounds you can get.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:02 PM   #4
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Given that a lot of our first-round picks have been busts, can you get just as good of a player in the 2nd round? If so, why wouldn't you at least WANT to trade down to the 2nd round to pick up more players, and as a bonus, pay them less than first-rounder money?
This is what Carl Peterson did to our fanbase.

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Old 04-18-2010, 11:05 PM   #5
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Sorry if this is covered in the other draft threads, but they are huge and intimidating and I don't really want to read through all of the personal attacks on Mecca

I was thinking about this the other day. Given that a lot of our first-round picks have been busts, can you get just as good of a player in the 2nd round? If so, why wouldn't you at least WANT to trade down to the 2nd round to pick up more players, and as a bonus, pay them less than first-rounder money?
If we get two second round picks, I'm open to listening.

If it's just one extra second round pick, it's a stupid move.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:10 PM   #6
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If we get two second round picks, I'm open to listening.

If it's just one extra second round pick, it's a stupid move.
How about two 1st? 1 this year, 1 next year?
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:12 PM   #7
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If you can't hit on a 1st round pick what makes you think you can hit on a lower pick?

And for the most part no you can't get as good of a player.
Well, if you have more picks, the odds of hitting on them automatically goes up.

You probably know, but how many of the "elite" players in the league right now were first rounders as compared to those in the lower rounds?
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:14 PM   #8
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And the Chiefs have a long and storied history of owning picks in the second round.

Look, lets not over-analyze this shit. Just because the Chiefs have drafted exceptionally poorly doesn't mean we need to try to re-invent the wheel.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:16 PM   #9
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Well, if you have more picks, the odds of hitting on them automatically goes up.

You probably know, but how many of the "elite" players in the league right now were first rounders as compared to those in the lower rounds?
No, the odds don't go up.

For example, Mecca could see as many 95 mph fastballs as you wanted to throw. 10? He won't hit one. Throwing 65 won't increase his odds.

The odds only go up for with the draft if you believe Pioli and company are merely throwing darts. After Thursday, we'll know if this should be their future approach.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:18 PM   #10
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No, the odds don't go up.
Mathematically they do, but perhaps not practically.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:19 PM   #11
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Mathematically they do, but perhaps not practically.
Incompetency will overshadow any potential statistical increase.

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I realize that Peterson is gone, but have you SEEN our list of 2nd round picks? I mean, really.
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No, the odds don't go up.

For example, Mecca could see as many 95 mph fastballs as you wanted to throw. 10? He won't hit one. Throwing 65 won't increase his odds.

The odds only go up for with the draft if you believe Pioli and company are merely throwing darts. After Thursday, we'll know if this should be their future approach.
The odds could go up in the second round if you draft off a very specific positional value.

For example, drafting Guards and Right Tackles and Centers and Inside Linebackers and Running Backs and Safeties and Tight Ends... those are positions with a pretty high hit rate in the second round.
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The odds could go up in the second round if you draft off a very specific positional value.

For example, drafting Guards and Right Tackles and Centers and Inside Linebackers and Running Backs and Safeties and Tight Ends... those are positions with a pretty high hit rate in the second round.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:25 PM   #15
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How about two 1st? 1 this year, 1 next year?
Depends on who the team is. Tough call, though. I'd tend to say no, because this is such a strong draft class.
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