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Old 04-20-2010, 07:11 AM  
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Chiefs have to decide if No. 5 pick is too high for a safety

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Chiefs have to decide if No. 5 pick is too high for a safety
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

They sold themselves as versatile and able, and if a team wanted a safety to be anything other than a safety, they said they’d be willing, too.

Eric Berry said he’d play cornerback. Taylor Mays said he’d be fine at linebacker. Earl Thomas said he’d be happy anywhere in an NFL defense. Whatever it takes. That’s what they said at the NFL’s scouting combine in late February.

“I’ll play whatever,” said Mays, a standout defensive back from Southern California. “If I’m on the field, it doesn’t really matter. I want to win. I want to contribute. I like football regardless.”

But sometimes, a safety needs to just be a safety. That’s what several NFL teams will be looking for when the three-day draft begins Thursday. The Chiefs are among those teams, and they’ll have a vast array of options.

The Chiefs could do the popular thing and select Berry with the No. 5 overall pick. Some scouts say Berry is the best safety prospect since Sean Taylor of Miami in 2004.

Berry, a former Tennessee star, possesses skills that have been compared with those of perennial Pro Bowlers Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu.

Then again, the Chiefs might pass on Berry — passing, in fact, on the big dollars they’d owe to someone playing a position that just isn’t valued the same way, the top-five money way, as a quarterback or left tackle or defensive end.

Not that Berry is the type to limit himself.

“I bring a lot to the table,” he said at the combine. “I can do pretty much anything the coaches ask me to.”

The Chiefs, of course, are at the center of a conundrum. They could draft Berry and, if he’s as good as advertised, be set at an important position that is becoming more important with each season. Offenses are becoming increasingly reliant on pass plays, and the game has evolved in such a way that safety might soon be seen as a premium defensive position — easily worth the money a player would command as the No. 5 pick.

“We’ve seen the evolution of the safety position to be one of the most important positions on the field,” ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski said. “It is a specific talent that you have to have. You have to be a (high-) quality cover guy; you have to be able to play in the box; you have to be able to blitz. It’s a position that now demands versatility.

“I think the safety position is now paramount in the NFL.”

Then again, the Chiefs could pass on Berry and target a safety in later rounds. This year’s draft is stacked that way: plenty of safeties, a desperate need for the Chiefs — one of the few weaknesses that general manager Scott Pioli didn’t address during free-agency — and a draft pool heavy on skilled players that will allow teams to draft early-round talent at midround prices.

What to do? The phenom or the value? Conventional thinking or a look toward a progressive future? It’s a tough one. And soon, the Chiefs will be on the clock.

“You hear this all the time: ‘You can’t take a safety that high,’ ” said Chris Landry, a former NFL scout who’s now a personnel consultant for 11 pro teams. “But some people get caught up in these sayings, and they don’t know why that’s the case. Eric Berry can line up in a number of schemes. … Would I consider taking him at 5? Yeah, I would.”

There’s an off chance, though, that Mays could fall to the early second round. It’s unlikely, but teams might be hung up on the fact that Mays’ ability to hit hard isn’t matched by coverage ability. The Chiefs might gamble that Mays will be there when they draft for the first time in the second round, the No. 36 overall pick. If Mays is gone, there will be others. Yes, this year’s draft is stacked that way.

“It’s harder and harder to find the well-rounded safety,” ESPN analyst and former NFL coach Jon Gruden said. “But I’ve seen a couple in this year’s draft that certainly fit my bill.”

The Chiefs could have their eyes on South Florida’s Nate Allen, Georgia Tech’s Morgan Burnett, Georgia’s Reshad Jones or Kansas’ Darrell Stuckey. All will be later-round choices; all could be terrific values for a team that likes a good bargain and could address needs at linebacker, wide receiver and nose tackle before plucking that mid- to late-round safety.

“It’s a good group,” Landry said. “There is incredible depth defensively in this draft, more so than normal.”

So the players aren’t the only ones with a bulging menu of options. Yes, the Chiefs have a tough decision ahead. Who could blame Berry for trying to sway a team into deciding on him?

“At the end of the day,” he said, “it’s on the GMs and the guys that make the decisions. I really do feel that I’m supposed to be up there with those guys.

“If you want a complete defensive back, a complete player as far as special teams — I played on kick return, kickoff, punt, punt return, all of those things. I definitely played free safety, strong safety, nickel corner, left and right corner. The list goes on. … So many things you could keep saying. I really want to sell myself.”
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:18 AM   #2
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He looks like a hell of a player to me.Goddamn I can't wait for thursday to get here.



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Old 04-20-2010, 07:22 AM   #3
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:23 AM   #4
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If the chiefs would actually pass on Berry because they think Mays will be there in the 2nd then they deserve to lose. They should have serious doubts about whether to take Mays in the 2nd AT ALL.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:28 AM   #5
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If we pass on Berry because of the money then **** this team and it's ownership.

It doesn't matter who you take at #5......we're going to be paying them a shitload. Is McClain worth $25 million guaranteed? No.

Berry has been compared to Ed Reed. He can lock the safety position down for the next 10 years. Take Berry and be ****ing happy with it.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:28 AM   #6
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Mays in the second would be grand theft, but I realize minds are made up at this point.

Clausen or Berry in the first, barring a treasure of picks for 2010 and '11.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:36 AM   #7
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eh, don't pass on berry just to get mays: get BOTH.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:36 AM   #8
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If the chiefs would actually pass on Berry because they think Mays will be there in the 2nd then they deserve to lose. They should have serious doubts about whether to take Mays in the 2nd AT ALL.
Those are the only two safeties in the draft. The draft is pretty deep at safety.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:38 AM   #9
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Those are the only two safeties in the draft. The draft is pretty deep at safety.
umm ... i don't get how your post relates to mine.

my point is that there should be NO relationship between Berry and Mays in the Chiefs thought process. They are too completely different type players.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:39 AM   #10
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Mays in the second would be grand theft, but I realize minds are made up at this point.

Clausen or Berry in the first, barring a treasure of picks for 2010 and '11.
Why Clausen? Seriously. Why grab a guy that has Ryan Leaf written all over him. Why not give Cassel another year? It's not like there won't be a premier QB next year. Last year, one of the arguments for Sanchez was that there won't be a premier QB prospect this year. Low and behold, what happens, the QB that will be available, is suddenly a 'premier QB prospect'. It is this type of rationalization that is hard to take seriously.
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Why Clausen? Seriously. Why grab a guy that has Ryan Leaf written all over him. Why not give Cassel another year? It's not like there won't be a premier QB next year. Last year, one of the arguments for Sanchez was that there won't be a premier QB prospect this year. Low and behold, what happens, the QB that will be available, is suddenly a 'premier QB prospect'. It is this type of rationalization that is hard to take seriously.
Just like the rationalization of "there will be a QB next year!". We don't know shit about next year. Last year everyone thought Snead was going to be a top 10 pick....now look at him.

And Clausen is not the next Ryan Leaf. Not. Gonna. Happen.
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umm ... i don't get how your post relates to mine.

my point is that there should be NO relationship between Berry and Mays in the Chiefs thought process. They are too completely different type players.
Sorry, my point was that they may choose to pass on Berry, be willing to take Mays, AND still be comfortable with another safety that isn't of the two. In other words, I don't think they are going to pass on Berry just based on the possibility of Mays being there.

Although, I will say, if at the end of this draft, they haven't addressed the safety issue... I will be beside myself.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:44 AM   #13
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Why Clausen? Seriously. Why grab a guy that has Ryan Leaf written all over him. Why not give Cassel another year? It's not like there won't be a premier QB next year. Last year, one of the arguments for Sanchez was that there won't be a premier QB prospect this year. Low and behold, what happens, the QB that will be available, is suddenly a 'premier QB prospect'. It is this type of rationalization that is hard to take seriously.
He doesn't have Ryan Leaf written all over him.

Every year it's the same garbage, "wait and draft a QB next year".
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:50 AM   #15
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