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Old 06-27-2010, 10:51 AM  
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Another SOCCER thread: Here's what FIFA should do.

1- Keep the three-sub rule for the duration of the game. Allow one extra substitution for over-time.

2- Allow unlimited substitution at halftime.

3- Join the 21st century with video technology. Replays don't have to be for every little dispute or questionable call. Just goals the are disallowed with near obvious bad calls or ref mistakes. Goals that are illegally stopped by D in a rather obvious infraction (remember US/Germany 2002). Use them also in Red-card situations. Kaka should never have been kicked out that last game.

4- Continuing the video tech theme, there should be cameras dedicated to the goal line (as in Tennis' line cameras) to show whether a ball is actually in as a goal or not.

5- Devise a way to severely punish cheap dives, even if it's after a post-match review. Red-card a blatant diver, after the review and make him ineligible for the next game. Better yet, the next two games. (example: the guy who grabbed his face and fell on the ground in 'excruciating' pain after Kaka feather-touched him in the chest.)

Ideas not yet included in the list since I'm not yet convinced:

A- One offside goal per game should be allowed using basically a team coupon?

B- Maybe having two refs each assigned to half a field?

Your thoughts, ideas and arguments not just welcome but encouraged. I will add the ones that convince me to the above list.

Discuss away.
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:39 AM   #2
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How about letting the players use their hands to carry the ball? And if you do that, then let the defense take the ball away by grabbing or hitting the player with the ball and forcing them to the ground.


And yeah, they should stop that fake injury stuff. It's not very dignified for the sport and it makes the players look incredibly sissyish.
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:43 PM   #3
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Hey I really would like to get your feedback/ideas for improving this game. Humor me, people!
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:48 PM   #4
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I don't see why you should get a free offsides goal. They should have replay on goals. Why do you want more substitutions?
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:52 PM   #5
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this would be the place to discuss it:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=228878





btw: another ref, free/unlimited subbing and no offside inside the box would be my improvements
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:53 PM   #6
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1- Keep the three-sub rule for the duration of the game. Allow one extra substitution for over-time.

No, this is part of the strategy and planning.

2- Allow unlimited substitution at halftime.

No, this is part of the strategy and planning.

3- Join the 21st century with video technology. Replays don't have to be for every little dispute or questionable call. Just goals the are disallowed with near obvious bad calls or ref mistakes. Goals that are illegally stopped by D in a rather obvious infraction (remember US/Germany 2002). Use them also in Red-card situations. Kaka should never have been kicked out that last game.

I say use the technology for goal line situations only. Even though refs make mistakes, you can't stop down and go over to a video camera for every little foul. Red card situations are often based upon perceived intent, which is a subjective thing for the ref, so a review usually won't help there.

4- Continuing the video tech theme, there should be cameras dedicated to the goal line (as in Tennis' line cameras) to show whether a ball is actually in as a goal or not.

Definitely this.


5- Devise a way to severely punish cheap dives, even if it's after a post-match review. Red-card a blatant diver, after the review and make him ineligible for the next game. Better yet, the next two games. (example: the guy who grabbed his face and fell on the ground in 'excruciating' pain after Kaka feather-touched him in the chest.)

Definitely this again.

Ideas not yet included in the list since I'm not yet convinced:

A- One offside goal per game should be allowed using basically a team coupon?

That would totally change the way the game is played. Definitely no. You want goals and no offsides? Go watch indoor soccer. Oh wait, that sucks and nobody likes it.

B- Maybe having two refs each assigned to half a field?

I like this idea the best of all.

Your thoughts, ideas and arguments not just welcome but encouraged. I will add the ones that convince me to the above list.

Discuss away.


I must say that I would like review or officiating help added, but only when it doesn't change the flow, pace, or style of the game. The rules of the game can not, should not, and will not be changed.
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:01 PM   #7
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B- Maybe having two refs each assigned to half a field?

I like this idea the best of all.

Agree with everything you said except this part. To much inconsistency there between two referees. And like you said game flow is what it is about. I would suggest maybe putting another referee assistant behind the goals for an extra set of eyes for corner kicks, crosses, and goals scored.
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:56 PM   #8
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3- Join the 21st century with video technology. Replays don't have to be for every little dispute or questionable call. Just goals the are disallowed with near obvious bad calls or ref mistakes. Goals that are illegally stopped by D in a rather obvious infraction (remember US/Germany 2002). Use them also in Red-card situations. Kaka should never have been kicked out that last game.
What is there to remember? By definition of the law there was no foul there. It was a good call.

The defenders hand was down to his side and he did not move it. The ball hit his hand. He did not hit the ball with his hand.

The law states: Deliberate handling of the ball.
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:59 PM   #9
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btw... The EPL will have six referees on the games this upcoming season. There will be the Center, two AR's the 4th and then one behind each goal.

The ones behind the goal will not have flags as the AR's do but will have audio communication with the others.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:09 PM   #10
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I would like to see both soccer and basketball go to a hockey like transfer of players, one guy goes off, another guy can come on. I don't see the need to stop play in a game just to let people on and off the field.

Goal camera reviews is really about the tech I think you can/should add.

Get rid of the offsides, or if you feel you have to have it set up lines like hockey, you can't cross it before the ball. Easier to rule on, and would lead to a lot less confusion and bad calls on goals. (Sure it still happens in hockey, but not as often as often as I'm seeing in soccer)
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:16 PM   #11
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Why not make certain calls challengable, and give each coach 2 per game.
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Anyone else unable to navigate beyond Param's post 3096 in the Official WC thread?
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:22 PM   #13
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I would like to see both soccer and basketball go to a hockey like transfer of players, one guy goes off, another guy can come on. I don't see the need to stop play in a game just to let people on and off the field.

Goal camera reviews is really about the tech I think you can/should add.

Get rid of the offsides, or if you feel you have to have it set up lines like hockey, you can't cross it before the ball. Easier to rule on, and would lead to a lot less confusion and bad calls on goals. (Sure it still happens in hockey, but not as often as often as I'm seeing in soccer)
The thing is that you can't get rid of offsides without significantly changing how the game is played. And, since that is the case, it will never go away. rReferees just need to pay better attention.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:24 PM   #14
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Why not make certain calls challengable, and give each coach 2 per game.
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..because they don't want to stop down a soccer game. The whole point is to get up and go. And yes, I know people dive and roll around to stop the play...but that's why everyone hates the diving so much.

I really think that more eyes on the field plus instant radio communication can clear up a LOT of this.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:26 PM   #15
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Anyone else unable to navigate beyond Param's post 3096 in the Official WC thread?
No, I can't either. His little cut and paste job blew up the page.

Param will you please delete or alter your post?
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