Obama Obama's Immigration Hypocrisy

Chiefshrink · 07-02-2010, 08:17 AM

OBAMA’S IMMIGRATION HYPOCRISYBy Dick Morris And Eileen McGann 07.1.2010

When Obama could have passed comprehensive immigration reform – when he still had 60 Senate Democrats – he didn’t lift a finger to push it. Now that he can’t pass it – it is too late in the year, he doesn’t have 60 votes, and many Democrats will defect – he aggressively pushes it in a national speech.

The opportunism and hypocrisy of his attempt to manipulate America’s Latinos into forgetting his previous inaction is transparent and obvious. Polls show him losing Hispanics due to high and continuing unemployment and losing Congressional seats in the bargain, so Obama has dug up the immigration proposals of former President George W. Bush, dusted them off, and made them his own. He knows it won’t pass. But he hopes that it will reignite Latino enthusiasm for his failing presidency and anger at Republicans for frustrating immigration reform.

In the process, Obama is neglecting the real answer to immigration. It is ridiculous to speak of sealing the border. A border of more than 1500 miles can’t be sealed. It can’t even be controlled. As long as people want to cross, they will be able to get over. Some won’t make it. They will just keep trying until they do.

To sell his amnesty program for those already here, Obama raised the red herring of deportation, saying that we could never round up and send away 11 million people.

But he brushed over the real answer: To dry up the jobs. If employers would not hire illegal immigrants, they would stop coming here and those already here would pack up and go home of their own accord. Obama’s promise, in his speech, to invigorate the enforcement of sanctions on employers who hire illegals rang hollow. If he hasn’t done it over the past year and a half, what confidence do we have that he will see the light now?

Employer sanctions, a guest worker program at good wages with health care, and a national biometric identification card must be the pillars of a real solution to illegal immigration. The promise of amnesty would be totally unnecessary if there were no jobs here to lure them and hold them. Amnesty presents a false choice. It assumes that we cannot dry up the jobs. But we can!

Were companies to face heavy corporate fines and jail time for those who hired the illegal workers, they would stop hiring. If a guest worker program brought in a sufficient labor force to meet their needs – and returned them back home again – it would not be necessary to hire illegal immigrants.

But as long as employers can get away with hiring illegals and paying them starvation wages, they will do so. It is only when they face the prospect of prison that they will see the light and start paying good wages as part of a national guest worker program.

The cynicism of Obama in kindling hopes for amnesty only to see them certainly dashed is breathtaking. And his pushing the false choice of amnesty — when eliminating the jobs that fuel illegal immigration is a readily available solution – is revolting.

He doesn’t want a law. He wants a fight and he wants the votes that a fight may bring him. It is Chicago polarizing politics at its very worst.

**dirk digler** · 07-02-2010, 08:22 AM

I agree with Morris about a guest worker program and a National ID card I have advocated both for a long time. But we already have a law on the books for fining corporations $100,000\illegal and it has never been enforced by anyone.

headsnap · 07-02-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

But we already have a law on the books for fining corporations $100,000\illegal and it has never been enforced by anyone.

yup, just ask Arizona...

we also have Federal Immigration laws on the books that are unenforced...

Donger · 07-02-2010, 09:10 AM

Serious question: why doesn't Obama just force it through using reconciliation, like he did health care?

Detoxing · 07-02-2010, 09:16 AM

I don't think drying up the jobs would be as effective as some think. We're assuming that taking away the jobs would cause people to go back to Mexico. We're also assuming that's the sole reason they came here. Maybe they came here to escape the violence? Who knows.

I don't think it's that simple. Why would they want to go back? They have no work there either. What's the incentive? They'd rather be poor and jobless here than poor and jobless there. If anything, it might cause an even bigger strain on our society. We can't just starve 12 million people and expect them to form a line and walk back.

I think they'd still continue to come over. IMO, it starts with that 1500 Mile long gate. Then we can go from there.

Otter · 07-02-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Serious question: why doesn't Obama just force it through using reconciliation, like he did health care?

3. We're in a recession and there's a lot of people out. It would immediately add 15 million to an already taxed workforce

2. Consequences on his popularity

1. It's an election year

If he does, which he might, it won't be until after November. Just my predictions of course.

The fact this is even being proposed given the amount of unemployed Americans and college grads unable to find a job is disgusting.

Chiefshrink · 07-04-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

3. We're in a recession and there's a lot of people out. It would immediately add 15 million to an already taxed workforce

2. Consequences on his popularity

1. It's an election year

If he does, which he might, it won't be until after November. Just my predictions of course.

The fact this is even being proposed given the amount of unemployed Americans and college grads unable to find a job is disgusting.

Your right on Otter!!

**chiefforlife** · 07-04-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Serious question: why doesn't Obama just force it through using reconciliation, like he did health care?

Rachael Maddow answered this the other night but I cant remember what the answer was. I remember thinking Oh, I didnt know that.

**banyon** · 07-04-2010, 04:43 PM

If his solution is amnesty, then I prefer the hypocrisy.

Chiefshrink · 07-04-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

If his solution is amnesty, then I prefer the hypocrisy.

He will definitely play both sides of the fence on this issue up until the Nov elections (as the MSMarxist press allows him to do this) and then just after the elections in the lame duck session of Congress he will attempt to "shaft America" with no vasoline once again.

**banyon** · 07-04-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

He will definitely play both sides of the fence on this issue up until the Nov elections (as the MSMarxist press allows him to do this) and then just after the elections in the lame duck session of Congress he will attempt to "shaft America" with no vasoline once again.

How will he do that with Congress shifting?

2bikemike · 07-05-2010, 07:31 AM

I can agree with this article. First and foremost we need to enforce the laws that are there. Any employer caught hiring illegals needs to suffer greatly.

The Mad Crapper · 07-05-2010, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

Serious question: why doesn't Obama just force it through using reconciliation, like he did health care?

He needs the votes because everyone is pissed off over his using reconciliation for Obamacare.

07-02-2010, 08:17 AM
Chiefshrink MVP Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: donkey land Casino cash: $56095	Obama's Immigration Hypocrisy OBAMA’S IMMIGRATION HYPOCRISYBy Dick Morris And Eileen McGann 07.1.2010 When Obama could have passed comprehensive immigration reform – when he still had 60 Senate Democrats – he didn’t lift a finger to push it. Now that he can’t pass it – it is too late in the year, he doesn’t have 60 votes, and many Democrats will defect – he aggressively pushes it in a national speech. The opportunism and hypocrisy of his attempt to manipulate America’s Latinos into forgetting his previous inaction is transparent and obvious. Polls show him losing Hispanics due to high and continuing unemployment and losing Congressional seats in the bargain, so Obama has dug up the immigration proposals of former President George W. Bush, dusted them off, and made them his own. He knows it won’t pass. But he hopes that it will reignite Latino enthusiasm for his failing presidency and anger at Republicans for frustrating immigration reform. In the process, Obama is neglecting the real answer to immigration. It is ridiculous to speak of sealing the border. A border of more than 1500 miles can’t be sealed. It can’t even be controlled. As long as people want to cross, they will be able to get over. Some won’t make it. They will just keep trying until they do. To sell his amnesty program for those already here, Obama raised the red herring of deportation, saying that we could never round up and send away 11 million people. But he brushed over the real answer: To dry up the jobs. If employers would not hire illegal immigrants, they would stop coming here and those already here would pack up and go home of their own accord. Obama’s promise, in his speech, to invigorate the enforcement of sanctions on employers who hire illegals rang hollow. If he hasn’t done it over the past year and a half, what confidence do we have that he will see the light now? Employer sanctions, a guest worker program at good wages with health care, and a national biometric identification card must be the pillars of a real solution to illegal immigration. The promise of amnesty would be totally unnecessary if there were no jobs here to lure them and hold them. Amnesty presents a false choice. It assumes that we cannot dry up the jobs. But we can! Were companies to face heavy corporate fines and jail time for those who hired the illegal workers, they would stop hiring. If a guest worker program brought in a sufficient labor force to meet their needs – and returned them back home again – it would not be necessary to hire illegal immigrants. But as long as employers can get away with hiring illegals and paying them starvation wages, they will do so. It is only when they face the prospect of prison that they will see the light and start paying good wages as part of a national guest worker program. The cynicism of Obama in kindling hopes for amnesty only to see them certainly dashed is breathtaking. And his pushing the false choice of amnesty — when eliminating the jobs that fuel illegal immigration is a readily available solution – is revolting. He doesn’t want a law. He wants a fight and he wants the votes that a fight may bring him. It is Chicago polarizing politics at its very worst.
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07-02-2010, 08:22 AM	#2
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $160566	I agree with Morris about a guest worker program and a National ID card I have advocated both for a long time. But we already have a law on the books for fining corporations $100,000\illegal and it has never been enforced by anyone.
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07-02-2010, 09:10 AM	#4
Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $230	Serious question: why doesn't Obama just force it through using reconciliation, like he did health care? __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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07-02-2010, 09:16 AM	#5
Detoxing Dyslexic Speed Reader Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $449738988	I don't think drying up the jobs would be as effective as some think. We're assuming that taking away the jobs would cause people to go back to Mexico. We're also assuming that's the sole reason they came here. Maybe they came here to escape the violence? Who knows. I don't think it's that simple. Why would they want to go back? They have no work there either. What's the incentive? They'd rather be poor and jobless here than poor and jobless there. If anything, it might cause an even bigger strain on our society. We can't just starve 12 million people and expect them to form a line and walk back. I think they'd still continue to come over. IMO, it starts with that 1500 Mile long gate. Then we can go from there.
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07-04-2010, 04:43 PM	#9
banyon Supporter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dodge City, Kansas Casino cash: $76625	If his solution is amnesty, then I prefer the hypocrisy. __________________
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07-05-2010, 07:31 AM	#12
2bikemike Born to Ride Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: El Cajon Calif. Casino cash: $41890	I can agree with this article. First and foremost we need to enforce the laws that are there. Any employer caught hiring illegals needs to suffer greatly.
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