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Old 07-26-2010, 12:51 AM  
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Season 4 premiered tonight. I would have bumped the season three thread but I titled it "season 3," which no longer seems appropriate.

Who saw it? It was a stupendous hour of television. All sorts of shit has happened in the eleven months that have passed (in-story) between the formation of Sterling Cooper Draper Price and the beginning of season 4. The premeir was stepped in the juices of the sexual revolution. It also had a lot to say about the increasing role of the media in the success or failure of things. It was great to see Don fail a little bit, and it was exciting to consider the future implications at the end of Don crafting a public/media persona that is completely unlike his actual personality.
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:54 PM   #616
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I'm not saying that Don would be convicted, but there would have to be questions.
Any questions would have been answered back when the event occurred in 1950-1952, not in 1972.

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And no, in a vacuum I wouldn't say the military would be super interested in prosecuting a rich white man who went AWOL twenty years ago. But if the media got a hold of it, during the Vietnam War, in the midst of all the controversy about draft dodging?
I sincerely doubt that after six seasons, Matthew Weiner is interested in putting Don Draper on trial for a murder he didn't commit 20 years earlier.

Who in their right mind would watch that? Is that any way to end a brilliant TV show?
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Old 06-25-2013, 06:16 PM   #617
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The difference is that in 1952 there wouldn't have been a reason to questions Don's version of events. I'm not saying the show will go there, it almost certainly won't, I'm saying that Don being exposed wouldn't be consequence-free. In other words the show won't go there, either.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:01 PM   #618
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Exactly.

And no offense to some of the other posters in this thread, but seriously, this is what you want to talk about? This is what you got from this season? Whether or not Don's still a partner after being fired or whether he'd be charged with murder, when murder was clearly not the case?

The future of Don Draper/Dick Whitman is so much more interesting to discuss. What happens to his family, to his current wife, to his psyche? Where does he live in Season Seven? Has he reconciled with his children, especially Sally? Has he come to grips with the demons inside or him or will it always be a constant battle?

There are just endless possibilities to address.

But murder? No.
Has he really been fired? It appears that the door may still be open. I think whether or not he's still at SCP is a pretty important story line.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:13 PM   #619
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Real Don survived the mortar attack, he wasn't killed until afterward when Dick accidentally dropped a lit lighter into spilled gasoline, causing an explosion. So look at it from the outside: two guys alone together in a remote outpost, one dies and is burned beyond recognition, and the other steals his identity in order to leave Korea years early. I'm not saying that Don would be convicted, but there would have to be questions.

And no, in a vacuum I wouldn't say the military would be super interested in prosecuting a rich white man who went AWOL twenty years ago. But if the media got a hold of it, during the Vietnam War, in the midst of all the controversy about draft dodging?
The media tend to overdue everything. I am sure Wolf Blitzer would have loved to get his hands on a story like this.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:21 PM   #620
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I think Wiener is going to somehow tie this back to the lighter.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:03 PM   #621
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Has he really been fired? It appears that the door may still be open. I think whether or not he's still at SCP is a pretty important story line.
Weiner has suggested in interviews that I read that yes, he has indeed been fired.

What will be more interesting is where Don's life is when the next season begins. And according to Weiner, there are no guarantees it will be 1969 and it's very possible it will be set in the 70's.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:07 PM   #622
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Weiner has suggested in interviews that I read that yes, he has indeed been fired.

What will be more interesting is where Don's life is when the next season begins. And according to Weiner, there are no guarantees it will be 1969 and it's very possible it will be set in the 70's.
So, what was the "couple of months" bit about? Also, why would they fire (permanently) their rainmaker?
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:12 PM   #623
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So, what was the "couple of months" bit about? Also, why would they fire (permanently) their rainmaker?
Dude, I don't have the definitive answers. I've read Weiner's quotes. I personally inferred, while watching the show, that he was gone. Done deal. Not welcome back.

We'll have wait until 2014 to find out the truth.
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Old 06-25-2013, 10:15 PM   #624
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TVLINE | Let’s start with the biggest development: Don is out of the firm?!
Yeah. We felt that, considering the fact that he fired their biggest clients, impulsively drove them into a partnership, ruined their public offering and then waged war on his partner, that Hershey pitch or no Hershey pitch, the business had to take action.

http://tvline.com/2013/06/23/mad-men...ale-don-fired/
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:01 PM   #625
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So, what was the "couple of months" bit about? Also, why would they fire (permanently) their rainmaker?
Ask Freddy Rumsen.

In a season full of arcs back to previous seasons, this is the EXACT treatment that Freddy got. He was given a 'leave of absence' by Rodger who told him he won't be coming back, then they all went out and got drunk.

The more I think about it, the more I think he did just get axed.
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Ask Freddy Rumsen.

In a season full of arcs back to previous seasons, this is the EXACT treatment that Freddy got. He was given a 'leave of abscence' by Rodger who told him he won't be coming back, then they all went out and got drunk.

The more I think about it, the more I think he did just get axed.
Does Chevy want SCP or Don Draper?
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Does Chevy want SCP or Don Draper?
Both. Neither.

They were sold Draper, now all they want are results. If SCP, who has chosen Bob Benson as the face of the franchise w/ Chevy, produces quality product, then Chevy will give zero !@#$s.

Though that's certainly a development that would give Weiner a way to bring Don back into SCP if he really wanted to.

But in the end, I don't think that's happening. Don learned in those last 3 minutes that he has no friends there. He's never had friends there. They were people that rode his talent in the same way he rode the talent of his subordinates. Reality just fist-****ed the guy, IMO.

Season 7 Don opening his own shop, IMO or perhaps just leaving advertising altogether.
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Season 7 Don opening his own shop, IMO or perhaps just leaving advertising altogether.
its going to be the 80's and he is either back with betty and the kids (full redemtion) or he will be all coked out jumping out the window of the old SC building.

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