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Old 08-07-2010, 01:01 PM  
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Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs?

Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams...

In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy.

The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8.

Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks.

There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:09 PM   #2
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I don't know that the defense is going to be THAT bad, and I don't know that the offense will be that good, either.

Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:13 PM   #3
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Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.
I dunno. Maas was saying that this offense is going to be really, really good. But, who knows...
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:15 PM   #4
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:19 PM   #5
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I think it is going to be closer to the 1989 Chiefs that Mass played on. 4-11-1 in 1988. Went 8-7-1 in 1989 in Marty's first year, and just missed out on the playoffs.
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:25 PM   #6
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I don't know that the defense is going to be THAT bad, and I don't know that the offense will be that good, either.

Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.
I think the defense will be THAT bad. Where's the improvement going to come from? Front 7 is still one of the worst in football. We have a decent Secondary,and a very good DC, but he can't play - players play. The Chiefs just don't have the talent on defense...
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:29 PM   #8
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Matt Cassel isnt Trent Green so that shoots down that theory.
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:54 PM   #9
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Trent had an incredible offensive line that gave him a TON of time to find the open receiver and open up gaping holes for Holmes to run through. I agree that we have more playmakers, but the game starts in the trenches on both sides of the ball.
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:59 PM   #10
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1989 Chiefs featured a strong running a strong running game, and DeBerg using the play action pass based off of the running game. The play action pass appears to be Cassels strength as well based off of the last few games of this past season.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:11 PM   #11
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Matt Cassel isnt Trent Green so that shoots down that theory.
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And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:17 PM   #12
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And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:25 PM   #14
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And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.
Aside from Gonzalez, who on that 2001 team (after that 6-10 year) made you think they were going to be world beaters? I'm not saying that all of these players are going to turn out to be All-Pros, but in 2002, my expectations for Holmes, Kennison, Green, and Richardson, was pretty tempered.

Also, Chambers is the Kennison comparison. Bowe would be Johnny Morton. And rightly so.

Just saying that this offense has a chance to be pretty darn good.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:39 PM   #15
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And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.
Jamaal could easily be better than Holmes over time, and Priest never had a back-up like Thomas Jones.

Mike Cox is our fullback. I really don't see Castille as a great FB. Dwayne Bowe could easily be better than Eddie Kennison if he would get his mind into the game. Chambers is our Kennison equivalent. We never had a slot receiver like McCluster either. This offense won't be as good as the 2002 Chiefs, but they could very well be a middle of the pack, possibly top 15 offense.

Our defense today is better than the 2002 defense.
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