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The 2 faces of our Commander in Chief

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The 2 faces of our commander in chief
by Jack Cashill

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Posted: September 02, 2010
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2010

In a February 2009 speech, newly inaugurated President Barack Obama promised the faithful that come Aug. 31, 2010, he would end combat operations for U.S troops in Iraq, just in time for the mid-term elections.

In the interest of accuracy, Obama did not exactly say "just in time for the mid-term elections." I added that. He just thought it.

And sure enough, when Aug. 31, 2010, rolled around, Obama proudly announced in his Oval Office speech, "The American combat mission in Iraq has ended." For a guy who could make the planet heal and the oceans stop rising, this was no biggie.

Unfortunately, this was no closer to the truth than many of the mindless, self-promoting statements he had been making about the war since before it even began.

Obama first went public in his opposition six months before the war started in his bellwether October 2002 speech at an impromptu rally staged by Chicagoans Against the War in Iraq.

In 2008, Obama would tell Rick Warren at his Saddleback forum that he "was firmly convinced [in 2002] that we did not have strong evidence of weapons of mass destruction."

This point would have delighted Chicago's anti-war crowd had he made it, but he did not. In October 2002, Obama conceded that Saddam "butchers his own people" and has "developed chemical and biological weapons and coveted nuclear capacity."

Despite the WMDs, Obama dismissed the impending war as "dumb." He saw it as the result of "a cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz," the only two officials in the defense hierarchy cited, both Jews, who wished "to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats."

Aiding and abetting the neocons, of course, was the inevitable Karl Rove. As Obama told it, Rove was banging the war drum to distract America from, among other things, "a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression."

In reality, the Dow Jones had been fairly flat since July 2002 and would gain more than 10 percent in that very October of Obama's discontent. "Worst" months would be of his own making.

In his 2006 book, "Audacity of Hope," Obama repeated the claim that the "administration's rationales for war were flimsy and ideologically driven."

So imagine how shocked his supporters must have been to learn Tuesday that "no one could doubt President Bush's support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security."

Our progressive friends also heard from Obama that America actually had "coalition partners who made huge sacrifices." In "Audacity" and on the campaign trail, Obama had repeatedly scolded Bush for his "precipitous, unilateral military action."

Obama also noted that America and its partners, including the Iraqis, were fighting "al-Qaida," and that we "took out" – as Obama so primly put it – "much of its leadership."

This had to come as news to the left as well. In "Audacity," Obama assured his fans that war against al-Qaida met his standard for a justifiable war, but that attacking "Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not meet this standard, which is why our invasion was such a strategic blunder," especially in that we acted "unilaterally."

Even more shockingly, Obama's progressive friends learned that those who died did not do so in vain but rather as an expression of "the values that have lived in the hearts of our people for over two centuries." And as a result, they "helped the Iraqi people seek the light of peace."

In "Audacity," Obama called the war "a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country." He lumped this in with other American efforts "that ignore the legitimate aspirations of other peoples, undermine our own credibility, and make for a more dangerous world."

In the course of his Tuesday speech, Obama referred to the "surge" only once and that in reference to Afghanistan. He did not once credit it with the fact that there was still an Iraq to withdraw from.

Nor did he say, "Remember when I said, '20,000 troops aren't going to do anything to increase security – I oppose the surge,' or when Nancy said, 'The surge has failed,' or when Harry said, 'The war is lost'? Well, we were just kidding."

The troops still left in Iraq don't appreciate jokers. They just wish they had a commander in chief they could trust.

A very recent letter from a family friend, a West Point grad, expresses some of their frustration.

"Dear Dad," it begins, as do so many such letters. "I am still extremely disgusted after watching all of the news reports regarding the last combat troops pulling out of Iraq – it's such a crock. It is honestly firsthand proof of a liberal news media attempting to propagate a pro-Obama agenda."

After citing one attack on his friends and comrades after another, this officer concludes, "I would love to hear some liberal media chump try to tell me that my platoon consisting of three Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles and eight up-armored Humvees all with loaded .50-caliber machine guns is not a combat force."

He adds, "Enough of that, it makes me mad just writing about it."

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Old 09-02-2010, 09:21 AM   #2
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It's a crock to say we have withdrawn from Iraq and the combat mission is over. Just more proof that our leadership is stunningly FOS on this issue.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:25 AM   #3
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:27 AM   #4
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Because the word "chump" is very similar to the word "chimp". You may be called a racist very soon for your comment.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:23 AM   #5
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It's terribly sad how many of our soldiers have died and left behind broken families without good cause in Iraq. Obama may be a dope, but Bush is the one with the bloodiest hands here.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:35 AM   #6
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"mission accomplished" W.

Sorry, but he's withdrawn troops, which is a step in the right direction. I won't pile on Obama for this cluster**** of a war.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:40 AM   #7
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"mission accomplished" W.

Sorry, but he's withdrawn troops, which is a step in the right direction. I won't pile on Obama for this cluster**** of a war.
that message wasn't directed at the war, but to the sailors on the ship who had accomplished their part of the mission.

nice deflection.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:48 AM   #8
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that message wasn't directed at the war, but to the sailors on the ship who had accomplished their part of the mission.

nice deflection.
Er, Bush gave a "Mission Accomplished" speech a month later. And if not for Rumsfeld's smart intervention, he would have given the same wording in the speech that day.
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that message wasn't directed at the war, but to the sailors on the ship who had accomplished their part of the mission.

nice deflection.
It's not a deflection. A deflection of what? Obama doing a shitty job? No, I've been quit vocal in my opposing of his job, thus far. The banner of "mission accomplished", for a particular designation of the military, sounds like the deflection.

It's also about how that was PERCEIVED, and since it was a NATIONALLY TELEVISED EVENT, it made Bush look foolish. Sorry, don't mean to kick sand in your eyes, but surely you aren't defending the banner and how poorly the timing of it was. The mission of the Iraq War was hardly accomplished and that's how the banner was perceived.
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It's not a deflection. A deflection of what? Obama doing a shitty job? No, I've been quit vocal in my opposing of his job, thus far. The banner of "mission accomplished", for a particular designation of the military, sounds like the deflection.

It's also about how that was PERCEIVED, and since it was a NATIONALLY TELEVISED EVENT, it made Bush look foolish. Sorry, don't mean to kick sand in your eyes, but surely you aren't defending the banner and how poorly the timing of it was. The mission of the Iraq War was hardly accomplished and that's how the banner was perceived.
Removing Saddam from power was the mission....you think military operations and missions didn't change after that occurred? you think that different units didn't have different missions or objectives before and after he was removed??
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Removing Saddam from power was the mission....you think military operations and missions didn't change after that occurred? you think that different units didn't have different missions or objectives before and after he was removed??
Removing Saddam? That's it? Just your average regime change? What happened to the whole liberation of the people, helping to establish freer politics and economics, and strengthening overall position in War on Terror?

Isn't that a more reasonable assessment of the mission in Iraq?
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Removing Saddam from power was the mission....you think military operations and missions didn't change after that occurred? you think that different units didn't have different missions or objectives before and after he was removed??
Of course, there were/are missions before and after, but again, I said how it was perceived. Since when does the President give Nationally Televised Speeches over specific missions, unless it's MEANINGFUL? Read the following article and should help show a little bit of how this was perceived...

Obama won't say `Mission Accomplished' in speech
August 30, 2010 - 3:38pm


President Barack Obama walks out of the Oval Office to the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington, Monday, Aug. 30, 2010, to make a statement on the economy. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh) WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House says there are two words President Barack Obama will not say Tuesday night in his speech about the end of the U.S. combat role in Iraq: "Mission accomplished."

Seven years ago, President George W. Bush stood on an aircraft carrier to declare an end to major combat operations in Iraq. A banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" flew nearby. The Bush White House came to deeply regret that sign as the war dragged on and U.S. deaths mounted.

"You won't hear those words coming from us," Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said. Instead, Gibbs said, Obama will talk about what is involved in the U.S. troop drawdown and the changing mission in Iraq.

However, Obama does plan to call Bush on Tuesday before delivering his Oval Office address, Gibbs said, though he wouldn't say what Obama's message to his predecessor would be. Obama also called Bush last year before delivering a speech laying out the Iraq withdrawal timeline.


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WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House says there are two words President Barack Obama will not say Tuesday night in his speech about the end of the U.S. combat role in Iraq: "Mission accomplished."

Seven years ago, President George W. Bush stood on an aircraft carrier to declare an end to major combat operations in Iraq. A banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" flew nearby. The Bush White House came to deeply regret that sign as the war dragged on and U.S. deaths mounted.

"You won't hear those words coming from us," Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said. Instead, Gibbs said, Obama will talk about what is involved in the U.S. troop drawdown and the changing mission in Iraq.

However, Obama does plan to call Bush on Tuesday before delivering his Oval Office address, Gibbs said, though he wouldn't say what Obama's message to his predecessor would be. Obama also called Bush last year before delivering a speech laying out the Iraq withdrawal timeline.


(Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
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Removing Saddam from power was the mission
Ha ha, no.
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Old 09-02-2010, 11:16 AM   #14
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Of course, there were/are missions before and after,
there is no but...that ship accomplished it's mission.

you can perceive it as you choose..another perception appears that you are selective when giving the benefit of the doubt.
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