Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-22-2010, 08:21 AM  
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Why did Republicans filibuster the Dream Act?

Republicans held their filibuster yesterday to filibuster something else into oblivion: the Dream Act, one of the solutions to illegal immigration that virtually all people who aren't demogogues or talk radio adherents would agree to.

Parents immigrate illegally to this country, bringing their children with them -- children that have no choice in the matter. Often times these children don't even know they're illegal immigrants until they apply for a driver's license.

So now because of a choice they didn't make, they are now illegals under threat of deportation.

The Dream Act tries to resolve this by giving these children a legit path to citizenship that involves temporary legal status, then full citizenshp so long as they maintain a clean criminal record, graduate from high school, and either complete two years of college or military service.

The act has been supported by the military for a long time, under Democratic and Republican administrations, and it would save Americans billions every year as deporting costs a shit ton of money, and these kids are 100% victims of circumstance.

Republicans, for the 5th time I think, have filibustered the Dream Act. Isn't this a libertarian, conservative idea? Pro-military? Fiscally sound?
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:25 AM   #2
ClevelandBronco ClevelandBronco is offline
Banned
 
ClevelandBronco's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Casino cash: $159966
Your opinions are not facts.
Posts: 20,175
ClevelandBronco has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:27 AM   #3
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco View Post
Your opinions are not facts.
Dispute any of these facts:

1. The children of illegal immigrants did not make the choice to come here.

2. Their illegal status keeps them in society's shadows as a result.

3. We could make tens of billions in putting them on a fair path to citizenship.

4. The military has heartily supported the Dream Act under Republican and Democratic administrations.
__________________
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:28 AM   #4
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $260722
This was hardly a solution and more of a free amnesty. I have said and would still say 4 years of military service would qualify for citizenship for only THAT person, imo. But the whole college thing is bunk. Secondly, why did he have to try and sneak it into a defense bill?
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 64,821
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:29 AM   #5
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $260722
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Dispute any of these facts:

1. The children of illegal immigrants did not make the choice to come here.

2. Their illegal status keeps them in society's shadows as a result.

3. We could make tens of billions in putting them on a fair path to citizenship.

4. The military has heartily supported the Dream Act under Republican and Democratic administrations.
Once again Direckshun wants emoitionaly based legislation.
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 64,821
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:31 AM   #6
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
This was hardly a solution and more of a free amnesty. I have said and would still say 4 years of military service would qualify for citizenship for only THAT person, imo. But the whole college thing is bunk. Secondly, why did he have to try and sneak it into a defense bill?
Certainly we can agree that some people deserve amnesty. Such as people who had no choice in coming here and whose lifes would be turned upside down by sending them home. Especially when keeping them makes our military stronger, and saves us billions. I fail to see what these kids did wrong.

That second part is a process complaint. Are you saying you'd support it if it were stand alone? That's what I thought.
__________________
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:32 AM   #7
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Once again Direckshun wants emoitionaly based legislation.
I don't really think it's emotional. I think it's ethically dubious not to act. Which is kind of what legislation is about.
__________________
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:32 AM   #8
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Once again Direckshun wants emoitionaly based legislation.
Dispute any of my facts, by the way.

Because you can't.
__________________
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:33 AM   #9
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $107865
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Dispute any of these facts:

1. The children of illegal immigrants did not make the choice to come here.

2. Their illegal status keeps them in society's shadows as a result.

3. We could make tens of billions in putting them on a fair path to citizenship.

4. The military has heartily supported the Dream Act under Republican and Democratic administrations.
So. It's the value you place on these points as good or bad/right or wrong. That's what's opinion.
__________________
“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.” — James Madison
Posts: 56,207
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:33 AM   #10
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $107865
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
I don't really think it's emotional. I think it's ethically dubious not to act. Which is kind of what legislation is about.
As I posted above, and as this post proves my point, it has to do with YOUR values and feelings that those facts should have any bearing for us to care about.
__________________
“Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.” — James Madison
Posts: 56,207
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:34 AM   #11
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $260722
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Certainly we can agree that some people deserve amnesty. Such as people who had no choice in coming here and whose lifes would be turned upside down by sending them home. Especially when keeping them makes our military stronger, and saves us billions. I fail to see what these kids did wrong.

That second part is a process complaint. Are you saying you'd support it if it were stand alone? That's what I thought.
No, we cannot agree on that. That falls on their parents and I refuse to accept the role of cleaning up their mess. Save me the whole, keeping our military stronger rant. That's BS and you know it. If they said a person who serves in the military would earn citizenship for themselves only I would agree to that. That doesn't mean the entire family gets citizenship because of it.
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 64,821
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:35 AM   #12
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $260722
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Dispute any of my facts, by the way.

Because you can't.
Uh yea, I can. And did. You just don't want to hear it. We aren't the Nanny of Mexico despite how much you may want us to be.
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 64,821
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:36 AM   #13
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
No, we cannot agree on that.
Oh, I think we can.

Fast forward two sentences:

Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
If they said a person who serves in the military would earn citizenship for themselves only I would agree to that.
How is that not amnesty, Pete?

Because it sounds like you agree with me that some people may deserve it.
__________________
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:37 AM   #14
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208676
Quote:
Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Uh yea, I can. And did. You just don't want to hear it. We aren't the Nanny of Mexico despite how much you may want us to be.
1. The children of illegal immigrants did not make the choice to come here. You didn't dispute this.

2. Their illegal status keeps them in society's shadows as a result. You didnt' dispute this.

3. We could make tens of billions in putting them on a fair path to citizenship. You didn't dispute this.

4. The military has heartily supported the Dream Act under Republican and Democratic administrations. You didn't dispute this.
__________________
Posts: 43,656
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2010, 08:39 AM   #15
petegz28 petegz28 is offline
Supporter
 
petegz28's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Olathe, Ks
Casino cash: $260722
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
Oh, I think we can.

Fast forward two sentences:



How is that not amnesty, Pete?

Because it sounds like you agree with me that some people may deserve it.
How is it not Amnesty? Because they are actually having to do something to gain citizenship. Not just getting it carte blanche. Those "some" are those who choose to serve the country in the military. If you are willing to put your life on the line for my freedoms I will grant you citizenship in return.

Again, the entire college thing is as bunk as bunk can get.
__________________
"Finally, anyone who uses the terms, irregardless, a whole nother, or all of a sudden shall be sentenced to a work camp."

Stewie Griffin
Posts: 64,821
petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.petegz28 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.