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Old 11-02-2010, 10:55 AM  
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GenY sucks in the workplace. Wow...who saw that coming?

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From tattoos to temperment, younger workers are missing the mark at exhibiting professional behavior in the office, a study finds. Entry-level salaries may be attractive to the bottom line, but a sense of entitlement and a deficient work ethic are leaving a bad taste in the mouths of hiring managers and upper management.

Technology workers concerned about younger people taking their jobs should listen up: GenY may be a generation raised on the Internet, but their communication skills, work ethic and overall professionalism in the workplace need some serious attention.

Recent college graduates are not living up to expectations of what it means to be professional on the job, according to research from York College’s Center for Professional Excellence, which polled 520 hiring managers, human resources leaders and business executives.

More than 88 percent of those surveyed said professionalism is related to the person not the position they are in. Nearly 40 percent found GenY to have poor grammar skills; Almost 30 percent found GenY to have a poor attitude, with 27 percent reporting these workers are “disrespectful and inconsiderate.” In terms of GenY’s IT habits, almost 40 percent found an increase in incidents involving IT etiquette, including the accessing of unauthorized company information.

“HR pros and business leaders identified five primary characteristics of the professional they are looking to hire,” David Polk, president of the Polk-Lepson Research Group, which conducted the survey, said in a statement. “The research also found that a lot of college graduates nationally are not measuring up well in these areas.”

If you are wondering what exactly defines a “professional,” here are the characteristics executives and managers rated as lacking in GenY workers, according to the York College research:

- motivation to see a task to its completion;
- overall interaction skills, including courtesy and respect when interacting;
- listening and communication skills;
- appearance; and
- self-confidence and awareness.

More than a third of those polled found recent graduates’ professionalism to have decreased over the last five years, but more than half found no change in professionalism over the same period. Of those who cited a decrease in professionalism, 61 percent found GenY to have a strong sense of entitlement and a lack of work ethic.

“Business leaders complained that many recent college graduates have a hard time accepting personal responsibility for their decisions or acting independently,” according to the report. “Managers also said graduates seem to not have a clear sense of direction or purpose in the office.”
Let's see... You coddle an entire generation of children and adjust EVERYTHING to their "different learning style", and it's a shock that once they leave that artificial environment, they don't play well with others?
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:47 PM   #31
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Yes, he absolutely said "every corporation in the entire country, including that chris guy that has yet to post in this thread's..."

Somone needs to introduce you to the concept of an outlier.

He's right - taken as an aggregate, corporations are laying off their middle-management teams and their more experience, more costly staff.

Perhaps your corporation is doing exactly what you say, but go ahead and try to convince me that 'corporations' as a whole (i.e. the aggregate to which oldandslow was referring) are "hiring in 47 states and pay very well with benefits..."

In summation: blow it out your ass.
outlier?

Summary; today's environment.....you have to prove that you are worth hiring. Before, companies would hire and train...rare these days.

We have very little middle management, replaced with new processes and technology. Middle managers either move up or learn new skills or start own company.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:48 PM   #32
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What are these magical skills you speak of?
Get with it.

Learn to be a computer programmer or you're crap!

(P.S. Many many many folks with compsci degrees, etc... are currently unemployed. Those that have jobs are going to be the first fired when they get more expensive and can be replaced by the next wave of college graduates that grew up on the new science/technology, but let's just ignore that for the moment...)

Nevermind skilled tradesmen and men that can actually build things - this country needs more IT guys!

God help us...
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:49 PM   #33
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I didn't ask for a link to a job site. I asked you to tell me what these skills are you speak of.
The skills are on the site. Technology, leading edge marketing, on and on and on. Read.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:50 PM   #34
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outlier?

Summary; today's environment.....you have to prove that you are worth hiring. Before, companies would hire and train...rare these days.

We have very little middle management, replaced with new processes and technology. Middle managers either move up or learn new skills or start own company.
Congrats.

Your company is not the norm.

Feel free to look at the historic unemployment rates among middle-aged, college educated professionals if you'd like.

Once again - I don't care how many sentances you start with "We...", this is not the common course of dealings in the current economic climate.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:50 PM   #35
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The skills are on the site. Technology, leading edge marketing, on and on and on. Read.
No thanks, I'd just like to see what you know, beyond buzzwords you heard from somebody.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:51 PM   #36
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I am glad to be independent of some of those bigger businesses. Just a bunch of brain dead assholes that move in a herd mentality and only do just enough to not get fired.

I don't doubt any of these criticisms of Gen Y. I do laugh at the idea that some are surprised this generation holds the corporate culture in such low regard. As if we should falling all over ourselves to get those jobs after we saw you rape everyone our parents age no matter how loyal they were.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:52 PM   #37
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No thanks, I'd just like to see what you know, beyond buzzwords you heard from somebody.
"Thinking outside the box. Shifting the paradigm. Promoting synergy through total resource immersion..."

/chris

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Old 11-02-2010, 01:53 PM   #38
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As if we should falling all over ourselves to get those jobs after we saw you rape everyone our parents age no matter how loyal they were.
That didn't actually happen.

Some guy in Ohio said so.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:53 PM   #39
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"Thinking outside the box. Shifting the paradigm. Promoting synergy through total resource immersion..."

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Old 11-02-2010, 01:54 PM   #40
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I agree with everyone who says that it goes both ways. There is a distinct lack of effecitve leadership in many businesses today. GenYer's are what everyone says they are (I'm in the first year of GenY myself), and the attitude of entitlement is very frustrating, but good leaders find a way to get the most out of their employees. The traditional heirarchal leadership structure isn't as effective as it used to be. Leaders have to change their approach with GenYers. Companies like Lowes, Starbucks and Apple all do a great job with that. I'm an HR Director and sometimes struggle with some of my fellow GenYer's in our company, but we find a way to succeed with them. It just takes work to creating a different workplace culture that works for all the employees in your company's industry.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:54 PM   #41
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That didn't actually happen.

Some guy in Ohio said so.
Heh...yea.

I am 27. Just to establish my point of view and or bias in this discussion.
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:54 PM   #42
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The skills are on the site. Technology, leading edge marketing, on and on and on. Read.
You really don't have any idea what you are talking about. I am sure I can find a company or 10 that fit your description...

but in the aggregate it is not true and you know it.
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I am glad to be independent of some of those bigger businesses. Just a bunch of brain dead assholes that move in a herd mentality and only do just enough to not get fired.

I don't doubt any of these criticisms of Gen Y. I do laugh at the idea that some are surprised this generation holds the corporate culture in such low regard. As if we should falling all over ourselves to get those jobs after we saw you rape everyone our parents age no matter how loyal they were.
good take. Reminds me of the movie "up in the air"
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:58 PM   #44
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Let's see...the greatest generation raised the "Boomers"; "Boomers" raise GenX, GenX begat GenY. It's Obama's fault. Huh?
Might want to check the dates on GenX and GenY and get back with us...
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Old 11-02-2010, 01:59 PM   #45
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Heh...yea.

I am 27. Just to establish my point of view and or bias in this discussion.
I'm 29 (that hurts to even type).

I know just enough about technology to type and break expensive things. I hate my EVO (while recognizing that it's an awesome phone that I don't care enough about to use) and and haven't even set up my Wii network because...well there's pool to be played.

And I guarantee that my job is safer and more lucrative than 99% of the technoassholes that this sheltered prick is trying to trump up.

You want a job that you'll have for just long enough to get replaced? Throw your life's work into the technology of the day. Enjoy 20 years in cubicle-hell only to be outsourced when you make too much money.

Seriously - I'm just making all this up. Never happens. Ever.
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