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Old 11-02-2010, 11:55 AM  
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GenY sucks in the workplace. Wow...who saw that coming?

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From tattoos to temperment, younger workers are missing the mark at exhibiting professional behavior in the office, a study finds. Entry-level salaries may be attractive to the bottom line, but a sense of entitlement and a deficient work ethic are leaving a bad taste in the mouths of hiring managers and upper management.

Technology workers concerned about younger people taking their jobs should listen up: GenY may be a generation raised on the Internet, but their communication skills, work ethic and overall professionalism in the workplace need some serious attention.

Recent college graduates are not living up to expectations of what it means to be professional on the job, according to research from York College’s Center for Professional Excellence, which polled 520 hiring managers, human resources leaders and business executives.

More than 88 percent of those surveyed said professionalism is related to the person not the position they are in. Nearly 40 percent found GenY to have poor grammar skills; Almost 30 percent found GenY to have a poor attitude, with 27 percent reporting these workers are “disrespectful and inconsiderate.” In terms of GenY’s IT habits, almost 40 percent found an increase in incidents involving IT etiquette, including the accessing of unauthorized company information.

“HR pros and business leaders identified five primary characteristics of the professional they are looking to hire,” David Polk, president of the Polk-Lepson Research Group, which conducted the survey, said in a statement. “The research also found that a lot of college graduates nationally are not measuring up well in these areas.”

If you are wondering what exactly defines a “professional,” here are the characteristics executives and managers rated as lacking in GenY workers, according to the York College research:

- motivation to see a task to its completion;
- overall interaction skills, including courtesy and respect when interacting;
- listening and communication skills;
- appearance; and
- self-confidence and awareness.

More than a third of those polled found recent graduates’ professionalism to have decreased over the last five years, but more than half found no change in professionalism over the same period. Of those who cited a decrease in professionalism, 61 percent found GenY to have a strong sense of entitlement and a lack of work ethic.

“Business leaders complained that many recent college graduates have a hard time accepting personal responsibility for their decisions or acting independently,” according to the report. “Managers also said graduates seem to not have a clear sense of direction or purpose in the office.”
Let's see... You coddle an entire generation of children and adjust EVERYTHING to their "different learning style", and it's a shock that once they leave that artificial environment, they don't play well with others?
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:43 PM   #76
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Ah, more buzz words. More fluff along the lines of chris except with hard political lines (IT'S ALL THE UNION'S FAULT! IT'S ALL THE UNIONS FAULT).

I forgot how simple you are sometimes.
Are you illiterate? I didn't say it was all the unions' fault. I said it was the fault of workers and consumers who have, frankly, grown lazy because the US had a lot of competitive advantages in the wake of WW2 that have gradually eroded over time. Unions are definately a part of the problem, as are democrats in general, and populist Republicans and independents.

But the biggest problem is that our system is antiquated and our population has grown up thinking that what once made us a great economic power can keep us there. The best example of this is the tax code. As it's currently designed, it encourages consumption by taxing income that you save at the same rate as income you spend and then turning around and taxing the growth of that savings. A tax code designed to encourage production instead of consumption would tax the consumed portion of income not the portion invested in ongoing productive activities. But we all grew up being told that dividends and interest are not only income, but they are the kind of excessive income that fat cats earn but that hard working laborers can't afford to earn. That kind of thinking needs to stop so we can compete with foreign producers who aren't similarly hung up.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:48 PM   #77
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Big companies make talented people into frightened children. Scared to do anything bold or well thought out. People spend so much time in these carved out little niches that they don't know what to do with themselves when they get outside of that comfort zone.

This city is littered with ex Sprint employees trying to relearn how to do business with others because all they knew was that culture.

Boomers are scared of change and ineffective. Holding on to the reins as long as they can.

Small companies that are owned and managed by power types make talented people complacent about making choices as they know they will be overturned. Been there done that.

Sprint is or was a large company, the bottom line is or was money. I dealt with Sprint on one occasion, they were anything but professional in my book.

The boomers comment is totally without merit.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:48 PM   #78
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Man there is a lot of stupid in this thread.
Aren't you a student? Likely a law student?
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:52 PM   #79
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Aren't you a student? Likely a law student?
Not a law student yet, but going in that direction.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:52 PM   #80
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The boomers comment is totally without merit.
Like anyone cares about the dipshit opinion of a coward like yourself Tom.

You don't know shit.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:55 PM   #81
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Like anyone cares about the dipshit opinion of a coward like yourself Tom.

You don't know shit.
You know, your opinion is worth less than what you feel I don't know.

If you were a man you would just answer the questions put to you and move on. As it is there are a few here that know differently.

Have a good life if you ever get one.
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Old 11-02-2010, 06:58 PM   #82
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You know, your opinion is worth less than what you feel I don't know.

If you were a man you would just answer the questions put to you and move on. As it is there are a few here that know differently.

Have a good life if you ever get one.
Wow. A complete coward AND an idiot?

At no point in your post I replied too did you pose a question. Is there anything you are not terrible at?


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Small companies that are owned and managed by power types make talented people complacent about making choices as they know they will be overturned. Been there done that.

Sprint is or was a large company, the bottom line is or was money. I dealt with Sprint on one occasion, they were anything but professional in my book.

The boomers comment is totally without merit.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:01 PM   #83
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The boomers comment is totally without merit.
No, they suck. They've completely shit on everything that was ever good about this country. It's obvious that their attitude from the moment they got power was "screw everybody else, I got mine".
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:03 PM   #84
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No, they suck. They've completely shit on everything that was ever good about this country. It's obvious that their attitude from the moment they got power was "screw everybody else, I got mine".
Now they are just making power points and having long meetings where nobody actually says or does anything.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:04 PM   #85
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Is there anything you are not terrible at?
In case Tom is still confused...

Right above is what a question looks like.
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No, they suck. They've completely shit on everything that was ever good about this country. It's obvious that their attitude from the moment they got power was "screw everybody else, I got mine".
I don't agree, but .... I got mine!
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:23 PM   #87
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The one trait that I've found in employees in my business is they have a very hard time understanding the needs of the business.(medical)

One particular group that is comprised of 7 women ranging in age from 24-50+ is especially prone to this thinking.

In the case of the younger crew in this area they don't think it's necessary to come to work on time and lack the necessary skills to deal with the public. I don't think this younger group came into the business with the idea they could come in consistently late with no repercussions. They watched their more experienced coworkers do it and deduced very early on "why can't I do that"?

*Then a new sheriff arrived*

Changing those attitudes was difficult. But showing just one of them the door after proper documentation was the proverbial "shot across the bow" that opened the eyes of the rest. Letting these folks know I could throw my hat out in the street and find 10 skilled prospects just like them was something I reinforced over and over. And I'm not done.

But to be honest I don't see a difference in the generations. Younger workers from any generation have always been a problem.
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The one trait that I've found in employees in my business is they have a very hard time understanding the needs of the business.(medical)

One particular group that is comprised of 7 women ranging in age from 24-50+ is especially prone to this thinking.

In the case of the younger crew in this area they don't think it's necessary to come to work on time and lack the necessary skills to deal with the public. I don't think this younger group came into the business with the idea they could come in consistently late with no repercussions. They watched their more experienced coworkers do it and deduced very early on "why can't I do that"?

*Then a new sheriff arrived*

Changing those attitudes was difficult. But showing just one of them the door after proper documentation was the proverbial "shot across the bow" that opened the eyes of the rest. Letting these folks know I could throw my hat out in the street and find 10 skilled prospects just like them was something I reinforced over and over. And I'm not done.

But to be honest I don't see a difference in the generations. Younger workers from any generation have always been a problem.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:41 PM   #89
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The one trait that I've found in employees in my business is they have a very hard time understanding the needs of the business.(medical)

One particular group that is comprised of 7 women ranging in age from 24-50+ is especially prone to this thinking.

In the case of the younger crew in this area they don't think it's necessary to come to work on time and lack the necessary skills to deal with the public. I don't think this younger group came into the business with the idea they could come in consistently late with no repercussions. They watched their more experienced coworkers do it and deduced very early on "why can't I do that"?

*Then a new sheriff arrived*

Changing those attitudes was difficult. But showing just one of them the door after proper documentation was the proverbial "shot across the bow" that opened the eyes of the rest. Letting these folks know I could throw my hat out in the street and find 10 skilled prospects just like them was something I reinforced over and over. And I'm not done.

But to be honest I don't see a difference in the generations. Younger workers from any generation have always been a problem.
Precisely.

It's just another outgoing generation bemoaning the incoming generation. Which, if I may editorialize, is hilarious in today's economy considering the outgoing generation essentially raping the incoming in about every way possible. Bunch of Gordon Gekkos.
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Precisely.

It's just another outgoing generation bemoaning the incoming generation. Which, if I may editorialize, is hilarious in today's economy considering the outgoing generation essentially raping the incoming in about every way possible. Bunch of Gordon Gekkos.
They way to tell the tale will be when you are at retirement age to see just how poorly you treat those people you now call your own.

As it is I have little respect for some of the younger generation. In my profession the age spread is from about 28 to 69. The older guys have set methods for engineering based on their years in the field. The younger guys tend to try shortcuts, not based on experience but based on what they learned in a classroom rather than what they have experienced in the field. Some of them have actually seen reality vs classroom. Some have not.

When I interview a person that is going to join the team I lean more on their desire to learn to apply their skills in the field rather than to argue what the instructors/professors taught them in college.

It sounds like you feel the older generation has no hope for the future, in my opinion the older generation are teaching the younger generation as we go.

Just my observation from my little corner of the world.
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