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Old 11-02-2010, 10:55 AM  
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GenY sucks in the workplace. Wow...who saw that coming?

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From tattoos to temperment, younger workers are missing the mark at exhibiting professional behavior in the office, a study finds. Entry-level salaries may be attractive to the bottom line, but a sense of entitlement and a deficient work ethic are leaving a bad taste in the mouths of hiring managers and upper management.

Technology workers concerned about younger people taking their jobs should listen up: GenY may be a generation raised on the Internet, but their communication skills, work ethic and overall professionalism in the workplace need some serious attention.

Recent college graduates are not living up to expectations of what it means to be professional on the job, according to research from York College’s Center for Professional Excellence, which polled 520 hiring managers, human resources leaders and business executives.

More than 88 percent of those surveyed said professionalism is related to the person not the position they are in. Nearly 40 percent found GenY to have poor grammar skills; Almost 30 percent found GenY to have a poor attitude, with 27 percent reporting these workers are “disrespectful and inconsiderate.” In terms of GenY’s IT habits, almost 40 percent found an increase in incidents involving IT etiquette, including the accessing of unauthorized company information.

“HR pros and business leaders identified five primary characteristics of the professional they are looking to hire,” David Polk, president of the Polk-Lepson Research Group, which conducted the survey, said in a statement. “The research also found that a lot of college graduates nationally are not measuring up well in these areas.”

If you are wondering what exactly defines a “professional,” here are the characteristics executives and managers rated as lacking in GenY workers, according to the York College research:

- motivation to see a task to its completion;
- overall interaction skills, including courtesy and respect when interacting;
- listening and communication skills;
- appearance; and
- self-confidence and awareness.

More than a third of those polled found recent graduates’ professionalism to have decreased over the last five years, but more than half found no change in professionalism over the same period. Of those who cited a decrease in professionalism, 61 percent found GenY to have a strong sense of entitlement and a lack of work ethic.

“Business leaders complained that many recent college graduates have a hard time accepting personal responsibility for their decisions or acting independently,” according to the report. “Managers also said graduates seem to not have a clear sense of direction or purpose in the office.”
Let's see... You coddle an entire generation of children and adjust EVERYTHING to their "different learning style", and it's a shock that once they leave that artificial environment, they don't play well with others?
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:48 PM   #91
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They way to tell the tale will be when you are at retirement age to see just how poorly you treat those people you now call your own.

As it is I have little respect for some of the younger generation. In my profession the age spread is from about 28 to 69. The older guys have set methods for engineering based on their years in the field. The younger guys tend to try shortcuts, not based on experience but based on what they learned in a classroom rather than what they have experienced in the field. Some of them have actually seen reality vs classroom. Some have not.

When I interview a person that is going to join the team I lean more on their desire to learn to apply their skills in the field rather than to argue what the instructors/professors taught them in college.

It sounds like you feel the older generation has no hope for the future, in my opinion the older generation are teaching the younger generation as we go.

Just my observation from my little corner of the world.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:00 PM   #92
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What are these magical skills you speak of?
You can start by not ending sentences with a preposition.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:06 PM   #93
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You can start by not ending sentences with a preposition.
I see there's still a pretty low hiring standard over there at Grammar Nazi, Inc.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:08 PM   #94
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I see there's still a pretty low hiring standard over there at Grammar Nazi, Inc.
When did they incorporate?
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:09 PM   #95
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I've been mentioning the boomers BS for quite some time.

this isn't shocking, just expected.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:09 PM   #96
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Precisely.

It's just another outgoing generation bemoaning the incoming generation. Which, if I may editorialize, is hilarious in today's economy considering the outgoing generation essentially raping the incoming in about every way possible. Bunch of Gordon Gekkos.
But Obama has nothing to do with this/irishJayhawk
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:09 PM   #97
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I've been mentioning the boomers BS for quite some time.

this isn't shocking, just expected.
I know and you were right all along.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:11 PM   #98
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But Obama has nothing to do with this/irishJayhawk
If there has been anything good in the past 2 years I can guarantee that Obama had nothing to do with it!
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:16 PM   #99
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Nearly 40 percent found GenY to have poor grammar skills;
Just sayin!
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:18 PM   #100
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:02 PM   #101
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Back then, we weren't competing in a global economy. We made the rules because we were a dominant consumer market and to a great degree foreign producers couldn't compete with us. Part of this had to do with a technology and competence gap and part of it had to do with shipping/logistics costs. Today, other parts of the world have grown up. Our consumer market share has dramatically shrunk, and logistics/shipping costs have made the world a smaller place. Foreign labor forces and infrastructure have matured. We haven't adapted to the changing world by realigning our economy from consumption to production. That's not the fault of the president you have in mind. That's the fault of labor unions and American consumers/workers who want corporations to continue to treat them like divas and provide a cushy cradle to grave experience. It's time to get real and focus on production (reduced business taxes, reduced incentives to consume, etc.).
I don't think there's much doubt that globalization and technology significantly reshaped the American economy. And the upper classes are often in the flexible position, through financial ability, education, to best grasp those changes and take advantage of them. But that is only part of the equation, right? Isn't another part the issue of taxing/public policy that has been crafted over several decades that have explicitly and purposefully benefited the rich over the rest of the country? This is exactly the argument that Political Scientists Hacker and Pierson make in their recent work Winner-Take-All Politics. If it was entirely about globalization, there's really nowhere to place some sort of moral blame for a middle class decline, and thus, no legitimacy to arguments that the rich CEOs/financiers/political elite have beaten the rest of us. But if it's also a matter of intentionally shifting an economic burden off the shoulders of the richest Americans onto the working and middle class, for unconscionable purposes of mere enrichment, can't there be some legitimate backlash? I would think so. But would your argument be that that's not the case? Or would you say that that is the case and it was okay to do?
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:22 PM   #102
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I don't think there's much doubt that globalization and technology significantly reshaped the American economy. And the upper classes are often in the flexible position, through financial ability, education, to best grasp those changes and take advantage of them. But that is only part of the equation, right? Isn't another part the issue of taxing/public policy that has been crafted over several decades that have explicitly and purposefully benefited the rich over the rest of the country? This is exactly the argument that Political Scientists Hacker and Pierson make in their recent work Winner-Take-All Politics. If it was entirely about globalization, there's really nowhere to place some sort of moral blame for a middle class decline, and thus, no legitimacy to arguments that the rich CEOs/financiers/political elite have beaten the rest of us. But if it's also a matter of intentionally shifting an economic burden off the shoulders of the richest Americans onto the working and middle class, for unconscionable purposes of mere enrichment, can't there be some legitimate backlash? I would think so. But would your argument be that that's not the case? Or would you say that that is the case and it was okay to do?
My reaction to this is that globalization is the predominant factor, but what do you have in mind in terms of the bolded part?
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:43 PM   #103
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patteeu --

I think you are over emphasizing production.

Certainly you see the need for balanced production and consumption? So the US consumed too much for 20 years. Yes, we are now paying for that. It needed to be brought back into balance.

But you can go too far on encouraging production on two fronts:

1) Without consumption, there is no market for the production.

2) All production and no consumption makes Jack a dull boy. What is the incentive for the individual to contribute to production without consumption? That just makes you a slave to the corporation. That's no way to live a life. Money and wealth are fine and good, but they are only means to an end.
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:54 PM   #104
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patteeu --

I think you are over emphasizing production.

Certainly you see the need for balanced production and consumption? So the US consumed too much for 20 years. Yes, we are now paying for that. It needed to be brought back into balance.

But you can go too far on encouraging production on two fronts:

1) Without consumption, there is no market for the production.
The US is no longer THE consumption market. The US is now a substantial, but much smaller part of a global consumption market (maybe 25% of it today and declining). We need to learn to sell to the world instead of selling to ourselves. That's precisely the point I'm trying to make here. Even if we were to make changes like the one's I'm advocating, we'd still do a lot of consuming.

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2) All production and no consumption makes Jack a dull boy. What is the incentive for the individual to contribute to production without consumption? That just makes you a slave to the corporation. That's no way to live a life. Money and wealth are fine and good, but they are only means to an end.
The alternative to adjusting to the modern world is getting run over by it. Consumption is good, but when you no longer have any income because all the jobs have disappeared, you find out that winter is coming and you're the grasshopper not the ant.

I don't think I'm over emphasizing production. I think our current system over emphasizes consumption, which was fine 50 years ago, but it's becoming increasingly not fine.
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:59 PM   #105
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The US is no longer THE consumption market. The US is now a substantial, but much smaller part of a global consumption market (maybe 25% of it today). We need to learn to sell to the world instead of selling to ourselves. That's precisely the point I'm trying to make here. Even if we were to make changes like the one's I'm advocating, we'd still do a lot of consuming.

Ah, this is why you advocate what you do. You have no ****ing clue of what reality is.

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