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Old 11-02-2010, 10:55 AM  
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GenY sucks in the workplace. Wow...who saw that coming?

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From tattoos to temperment, younger workers are missing the mark at exhibiting professional behavior in the office, a study finds. Entry-level salaries may be attractive to the bottom line, but a sense of entitlement and a deficient work ethic are leaving a bad taste in the mouths of hiring managers and upper management.

Technology workers concerned about younger people taking their jobs should listen up: GenY may be a generation raised on the Internet, but their communication skills, work ethic and overall professionalism in the workplace need some serious attention.

Recent college graduates are not living up to expectations of what it means to be professional on the job, according to research from York College’s Center for Professional Excellence, which polled 520 hiring managers, human resources leaders and business executives.

More than 88 percent of those surveyed said professionalism is related to the person not the position they are in. Nearly 40 percent found GenY to have poor grammar skills; Almost 30 percent found GenY to have a poor attitude, with 27 percent reporting these workers are “disrespectful and inconsiderate.” In terms of GenY’s IT habits, almost 40 percent found an increase in incidents involving IT etiquette, including the accessing of unauthorized company information.

“HR pros and business leaders identified five primary characteristics of the professional they are looking to hire,” David Polk, president of the Polk-Lepson Research Group, which conducted the survey, said in a statement. “The research also found that a lot of college graduates nationally are not measuring up well in these areas.”

If you are wondering what exactly defines a “professional,” here are the characteristics executives and managers rated as lacking in GenY workers, according to the York College research:

- motivation to see a task to its completion;
- overall interaction skills, including courtesy and respect when interacting;
- listening and communication skills;
- appearance; and
- self-confidence and awareness.

More than a third of those polled found recent graduates’ professionalism to have decreased over the last five years, but more than half found no change in professionalism over the same period. Of those who cited a decrease in professionalism, 61 percent found GenY to have a strong sense of entitlement and a lack of work ethic.

“Business leaders complained that many recent college graduates have a hard time accepting personal responsibility for their decisions or acting independently,” according to the report. “Managers also said graduates seem to not have a clear sense of direction or purpose in the office.”
Let's see... You coddle an entire generation of children and adjust EVERYTHING to their "different learning style", and it's a shock that once they leave that artificial environment, they don't play well with others?
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:59 PM   #106
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My reaction to this is that globalization is the predominant factor, but what do you have in mind in terms of the bolded part?
Well, for one, the huge reduction of federal income taxes as a percentage for the upper class between 1960 and today. The difference in estate taxes, capital gains taxes, witnessing the depreciation of the minimum wage, rolling back bank regulations. And yeah, the active pursuit against labor union power.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:22 PM   #107
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Ah, this is why you advocate what you do. You have no ****ing clue of what reality is.
Speaking of "no ****ing clue", your chart supports what I said. I didn't know the exact figure so I said "maybe 25%". Your chart says it's more like 27 or 28%. I call that a win. It also shows that it's declining (at least over those two data points). Heck, by 2010, I might have hit the number right on the nose. My concern is the longer term trend of decline though.

BTW, I'm specifically talking about consumption, not overall GDP.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:36 PM   #108
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Speaking of "no ****ing clue", your chart supports what I said. I didn't know the exact figure so I said "maybe 25%". Your chart says it's more like 27 or 28%. I call that a win. It also shows that it's declining (at least over those two data points). Heck, by 2010, I might have hit the number right on the nose. My concern is the longer term trend of decline though.

BTW, I'm specifically talking about consumption, not overall GDP.
Predictable, I knew you were going to try this line. You may have guessed right on the number, but as the graph clearly shows, the US is THE consumption market. No one even comes close to us and nor will they in the next 20 years. To try and argue that the US isn't the biggest consumption market and isn't going to remain in that position for a good time frame is ridiculous.

Also, as to your consumption not overall GDP comment. Since, neither you or I are going to attempt to tease out consumption from these numbers, GDP is a perfectly acceptable proxy.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:39 PM   #109
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Well, for one, the huge reduction of federal income taxes as a percentage for the upper class between 1960 and today. The difference in estate taxes, capital gains taxes, witnessing the depreciation of the minimum wage, rolling back bank regulations. And yeah, the active pursuit against labor union power.
Here's an interesting analysis that compares inflation-adjusted, after-tax income for different income groups.



The top 1% are clearly advancing much more rapidly, albeit less steadily than the other income groups.

The author compares the shape of that top line with the Dow Jones Industrial Average over the same time period and finds some similarity:



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What does that tell us? Yes, it suggests that labor earnings have grown more slowly than investment earnings. But when was that not the case? And why would we want to change that? Of course we want to reward labor, but we also want to reward the investment in our economy that creates opportunity for labor — and the rewards are necessarily higher because the risks involved in investing are far greater.
My answer to you is that I think most of the tax and policy changes that you cite are positive but piecemeal responses to globalization pressures and at least some of them are somewhat illusory. The dramatic reduction in top income tax rates, for example, has been accompanied by a dramatic reduction of income tax deductions (aka loopholes) that were once available to those 90% bracket taxpayers. No one ever paid a full 90% of their income in taxes. The 90% rate created enormous pressure on the taxpayer to shelter his income in one of the abundant loopholes available to him. That's no way to run a revenue generation operation, IMO.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:44 PM   #110
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Predictable, I knew you were going to try this line. You may have guessed right on the number, but as the graph clearly shows, the US is THE consumption market. No one even comes close to us and nor will they in the next 20 years. To try and argue that the US isn't the biggest consumption market and isn't going to remain in that position for a good time frame is ridiculous.

Also, as to your consumption not overall GDP comment. Since, neither you or I are going to attempt to tease out consumption from these numbers, GDP is a perfectly acceptable proxy.
I have very little problem accepting it as a proxy since it proved my point.

Since you're slow on the uptake, I didn't say anything about the US not being the largest market, I said that it was a shrinking share of the global market and it will continue to shrink. I'm right about that. With the US being 25% of the global market, that means 75% of the market is outside the country. We need to export to that 75% and as it grows the need to be an export-oriented economy rather than a consumption-oriented economy will grow right along with it.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:48 PM   #111
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I have very little problem accepting it as a proxy since it proved my point.

Since you're slow on the uptake, I didn't say anything about the US not being the largest market, I said that it was a shrinking share of the global market and it will continue to shrink. I'm right about that. With the US being 25% of the global market, that means 75% of the market is outside the country. We need to export to that 75% and as it grows the need to be an export-oriented economy rather than a consumption-oriented economy will grow right along with it.
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The US is no longer THE consumption market. The US is now a substantial, but much smaller part of a global consumption market (maybe 25% of it today and declining). .
And just how do you plan to export to those markets when other countries manufacture their advantage through currency manipulation and human rights abuses? Paying people $.03 an hour to make shit won't fly in this country.
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And just how do you plan to export to those markets when other countries manufacture their advantage through currency manipulation and human rights abuses? Paying people $.03 an hour to make shit won't fly in this country.
Paying people $30/hr to make something that someone else will make for $.03/hr isn't going to fly for long either. Don't be a dead ender.
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Paying people $30/hr to make something that someone else will make for $.03/hr isn't going to fly for long either. Don't be a dead ender.
AH that's rich. I've stated many times what steps I think the US should take. You, OTOH, prefer to adhere to the same dogmatic "tax cuts are always good" mantra that has gotten the US to the situation we are in now.
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AH that's rich. I've stated many times what steps I think the US should take. You, OTOH, prefer to adhere to the same dogmatic "tax cuts are always good" mantra that has gotten the US to the situation we are in now.
I'm advocating tax reform, not tax cuts (although reform would certainly involve cutting some types of taxes).
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I'm advocating tax reform, not tax cuts (although reform would certainly involve cutting some types of taxes).
Whoa, slow down there. I wouldn't want you to throw out your back contorting yourself like that.
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From tattoos to temperment, younger workers are missing the mark at exhibiting professional behavior in the office, a study finds. Entry-level salaries may be attractive to the bottom line, but a sense of entitlement and a deficient work ethic are leaving a bad taste in the mouths of hiring managers and upper management.
I have a different neurological configuration than a lot of people in the United States of America. This is why I am asking these questions. I have a disability called aspergers and I seek greater understanding.

I have no problems with the concept of having tattoos displays a lack of professionalism. I do not like tattoos or doing things to permanently alter my body.

With respect to the concept of work ethic and based on these definitions from the oxford dictionary:

ethics [usually treated as plural] moral principles that govern a person’s or group’s behavior:

work: mental or physical activity as a means of earning income; employment:

In concrete and specific detail, what moral principles should a person govern himself by when he is doing a mental or physical activity as a means of earning income?

Can anyone list what they should be?



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Technology workers concerned about younger people taking their jobs should listen up: GenY may be a generation raised on the Internet, but their communication skills, work ethic and overall professionalism in the workplace need some serious attention.
professionalism: the competence or skill expected of a professional

In concrete and specific detail, can anyone detail out what competencies and skills gen y is supposed to have and what they lack? What are the step by step procedures and measures gen y should take to gain these competencies and skills especially if college is not teaching the these things?

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Recent college graduates are not living up to expectations of what it means to be professional on the job, according to research from York College’s Center for Professional Excellence, which polled 520 hiring managers, human resources leaders and business executives.
In detail, what exactly are the expectations of a professional? How does one become professional if one is not an amateur or beginner first?

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More than 88 percent of those surveyed said professionalism is related to the person not the position they are in.
What does the less than 12% say? This implies that there are other opinions regarding this? What exactly are they?

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Nearly 40 percent found GenY to have poor grammar skills;
What does the 60% say about this???

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Almost 30 percent found GenY to have a poor attitude,
What does 70% say about this? What is considered a good attitude vs a poor attitude? What is the rubric that one must go by?

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with 27 percent reporting these workers are “disrespectful and inconsiderate.”
What does 73% say? Does this mean that 73% says that gen y is respectful and considerate? What is considered respectful and considerate? This can vary from region to region and place to place. To me, this is to vague.

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In terms of GenY’s IT habits, almost 40 percent found an increase in incidents involving IT etiquette, including the accessing of unauthorized company information.
What does the 60% say? What is IT etiquette? What is considered good IT etiquette? Can anyone detail this out? How does one know what is authorized and unauthorized company information unless blatantly obvious?

Let's say a person makes a mistake and thought he was authorized when he was not and there was a misunderstanding what is the procedures to handle this and prevent this?

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“HR pros and business leaders identified five primary characteristics of the professional they are looking to hire,” David Polk, president of the Polk-Lepson Research Group, which conducted the survey, said in a statement. “The research also found that a lot of college graduates nationally are not measuring up well in these areas.”
Why are they not? What exactly is gen y doing wrong and what are the assumptions that are faulty?

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If you are wondering what exactly defines a “professional,” here are the characteristics executives and managers rated as lacking in GenY workers, according to the York College research:
Ah! I see.

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- motivation to see a task to its completion;
I have aspergers syndrome. Why do people become upset when I want to perseverate and do a task until it is done? Why is one forced to switch to task B a lot before he completes task A like in school work or the workplace environment?

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- overall interaction skills, including courtesy and respect when interacting;
How does one measure his interaction skills and determine his level?

What is considered courtesy and respect especially if these concepts can apply differently in different areas of the world? I don't understand. What is the absolute universal measure for courtesy and respect?

If none of us are entitled to anything then how is any of us entitled to courtesy and respect? Again, I don't understand. Why does this inconsistency exist?

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listening and communication skills;
There are times that when someone is talking to me they sound like Charlie Brown's parents. This occurs a lot. What is considered excellent communication skills? What kind are we talking about?

[quote]- appearance; and

If we are supposed to have a certain appearance and conform to certain standards the why are we all told to be ourselves and be true to ourselves? Why does this contradiction exist?


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self-confidence and awareness.
Why is self-confidence and inherent requirement instead of humility? Isn't self-confidence a form of arrogance and pride?

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More than a third of those polled found recent graduates’ professionalism to have decreased over the last five years, but more than half found no change in professionalism over the same period. Of those who cited a decrease in professionalism, 61 percent found GenY to have a strong sense of entitlement and a lack of work ethic.

What is a sense of entitlement and what steps does one take to get rid of it? Has anyone who had it was able to be rid of it?

What does 39% of those polled say?

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“Business leaders complained that many recent college graduates have a hard time accepting personal responsibility for their decisions or acting independently,” according to the report.
Let's say the person makes a decision and it causes a negative outcome. Let's say the person doesn't understand why the decision led to this negative outcome and how it did. How is a person expected to accept personal responsibility if it isn't transparent. Transparent means that something is teach-able, derivable, and discernible. In essence, how is a person expected to accept personal responsibility if he doesn't understand the rationality and logic of what he did wrong, why it was wrong, what the correct way was and why?

Employees are made to show initiative. This is part of the employer's mantra. If the employee shows initiative and the employee does something wrong why is it the employee's fault if the standard from management is to display initiative? If the employee does not display initiative he is still punished is he not? This means, does it not become a heads you lose, tails you lose type of situation or am I off track?


“Managers also said graduates seem to not have a clear sense of direction or purpose in the office.”
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Let's see... You coddle an entire generation of children and adjust EVERYTHING to their "different learning style", and it's a shock that once they leave that artificial environment, they don't play well with others?
There was another one months ago, showing that the current freshman college class has the most entitlement mentality of all.
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