Stop blaming the play calling.

[acesn8s]

Croyle failed today because he sucks ass. Everything was called as normal except an end around. And its not like that play is called every game anyways. Croyle was in the shotgun, under center, play action, threw deep, threw short, screens, and bootlegs. The play calling was not the problem of our offense; decision making was the problem. Croyle checks down too much and tries to throw a bullet on short pass plays. His accuracy is horrible. And he is indecisive when pressured.

Here is a breakdown of his performance.

After 4 straight runs gaining 13 yards and a 1st down, Croyle throws on 3rd and 10 to Copper for a WR screen losing 1 yard. Chiefs punt.

After a 1 yard loss by Jones, Croyle checks down to Charles for a gain of 4 yards on 2nd and 11 while a wide open McCluster breaks to the sideline with room to run. On 3rd and 7 Croyle over throws Copper. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle is sacked for a 12 yard loss after a horrible attempt of a play action fake. After a run by Charles, Croyle checks down with a quick throw to Moeaki for 8 yards on 3rd and 18. Chiefs punt.

After Charles gains a 1st down and 16 yards, Croyle passes on a bootleg on 2nd and 4 to Moeaki for 5 yards. After a 2 yard run by Charles, Croyle throws a deep incomplete pass out of bounds toward Bowe. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 8 Croyle checks down to Bowe on an underneath route for 3 yards. Chiefs Punt.

From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle throws an incomplete pass toward Bow that was high and away from Bowe. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 10, Croyle throws over the middle to Copper for a 16 yard gain. From the shotgun position on 1st and 10, Croyle steps up in the pocket and checks down to Charles for 5 yards. From the shotgun position on 2nd and 5, Croyle throws a high pass toward Bowe deep that falls incomplete. From the shotgun position on 3rd and 5, Croyle holds the ball for 4 seconds before running back toward 2 of the 3 pass rushers and is sacked for a 11 yard loss. Halftime.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 3 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 7. He never takes his eyes off Bowe and throws a bullet that a diving Bowe cannot handle. Chiefs punt.

After two rushes by Charles and a gain of 4 yards, Croyle targets Bowe again and again throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 16. Croyle play fakes to an invisible RB, bootlegs and throws to a covered Bowe on the sideline. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 10, Croyle looks right, cocks to throw but never does and is sacked for a 6 yard loss. On 2nd and 16, Croyle under throws Bowe deep and the ball is deflected by the defender for an incomplete pass. On 3rd and 16 from the shotgun position, Croyle throws a screen pass toward Charles into the hands of a defensive lineman for an incomplete pass. Chiefs punt.

On 1st and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 18 yard pass is well defended and falls incomplete. Tucker never gets his hands on the ball. On 2nd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle's 13 yard pass is knocked down by the defender and falls incomplete. Tucker never touches the ball. On 3rd and 15 from the shotgun position, Croyle steps up in the pocket, pump fakes and is sacked; never releasing the ball even though McCluster is apparently open near the first down marker. Chiefs punt.

Palko enters the game and goes 2 of 3 for 8 yards. Croyle's day is done going 7 of 17 for 40 yards.

[Guru]

Who's blaming the play calling. The entire team sucked today.

[salame]

The defensive play calling?

[Pawnmower]

Oh Cool, another "black or white" type of thread....

I choose grey

[Rausch]

This is tired and old already.

If you say Croyle sucked you hate him.

If you point out that the entire team sucked it means you're making excuses for Croyle.

Bull$3it.

TEAM SUCK.

ALL SUCK.

COACHES SUCKED. Probably, the worst suck. I place most the blame on the coaching staff for allowing this performance...

[Pawnmower]

You know...We can all fall into the trap of "trying to be right" too often....(on CP and in life).

I have had some tremendously complex situations and problems in my life...I help run a fairly substantial business..I have been involved with some crazy lawsuits (on both sides) and some intensely complicated business matters...

The truth that no one ever wants to hear is that usually there is not ONE single factor leading to a hard to solve problem problem....Usually there are a myriad of variables and a wide array of factors leading to the problem and it becomes very difficult to tell which variable has what effect.

Whenever people try to point to one particular thing as the entire cause of a complex problem, you can be almost certain they are not correct.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Rausch

This is tired and old already.

If you say Croyle sucked you hate him.

If you point out that the entire team sucked it means you're making excuses for Croyle.

Bull$3it.

TEAM SUCK.

ALL SUCK.

COACHES SUCKED. Probably, the worst suck. I place most the blame on the coaching staff for allowing this performance...

And the play calling was really bad.

[Guru]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

And the play calling was really bad.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

This is tired and old already.

If you say Croyle sucked you hate him.

If you point out that the entire team sucked it means you're making excuses for Croyle.

Bull$3it.

TEAM SUCK.

ALL SUCK.

COACHES SUCKED. Probably, the worst suck. I place most the blame on the coaching staff for allowing this performance...

The point is, and it's a perfectly valid one, that bad QB play holds the entire team back.

It's something Cassel critics have pointed out time and time again, and about how important good QB play is to win games. And it's something I agree with 100%. The blame always starts with the QB, especially when the QB plays as poorly as Brodie did.

I'm by no means a Cassel apologist. But it tells you a lot about the fan base when Cassel is blamed by some for losing a 400+ yard game and blamed by everyone when he throws for 150-200 yards but screws up a few key plays, while Croyle throws for 40 yards and suddenly it's a team loss.

And for the record, yes, I think the criticisms of Cassel this year are more than fair.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The point is, and it's a perfectly valid one, that bad QB play holds the entire team back.

It's something Cassel critics have pointed out time and time again, and about how important good QB play is to win games. And it's something I agree with 100%. The blame always starts with the QB, especially when the QB plays as poorly as Brodie did.

I'm by no means a Cassel apologist. But it tells you a lot about the fan base when Cassel is blamed by some for losing a 400+ yard game and blamed by everyone when he throws for 150-200 yards but screws up a few key plays, while Croyle throws for 40 yards and suddenly it's a team loss.

And for the record, yes, I think the criticisms of Cassel this year are more than fair.

So what the **** is your point?...

[Pawnmower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm by no means a Cassel apologist. But it tells you a lot about the fan base when Cassel is blamed by some for losing a 400+ yard game and blamed by everyone when he throws for 150-200 yards but screws up a few key plays, while Croyle throws for 40 yards and suddenly it's a team loss.

I agree with this sentiment except I believe that the loud, obnoxious, vocal minority (Pants, ROR, Gifhorse) and the like do not represent the typical fan base, and in fact are over-represented here on CP.

[DBOSHO]

What i find funny about that dropped pass by bowe, is that that ball is equally as difficult if not easier to catch than the pass bowe dropped in the raiders game to seal it, but since brodie sucks and he "gunned it" to bowe, its a terrible pass.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So what the **** is your point?...

The fan base, we are the problem. It's our fault they lost today

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So what the **** is your point?...

That it's a pretty clear double standard that the same people who have ripped Cassel apart for screwing up 3 or 4 plays in a loss are the same ones saying it's a team loss when Brodie Croyle screws up 15 and makes pretty much no positive plays.

I think Cassel is responsible for every loss except Oakland. And Croyle is extremely responsible for the loss against San Diego. For as bad as Cassel has played at times this year, Croyle's performance this season was far worse than Cassel's worst game.

[Pawnmower]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

What i find funny about that dropped pass by bowe, is that that ball is equally as difficult if not easier to catch than the pass bowe dropped in the raiders game to seal it, but since brodie sucks and he "gunned it" to bowe, its a terrible pass.

That wasn't the take that most people had...In fact it was the opposite during the game thread. Most people wanted to give blame to Bowe for it, at least to some degree if not the majority of the blame.