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Old 12-20-2010, 09:40 AM  
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Did you over-react to the work of Casshole?

Against Seattle and Arizona?

From reading this board it sounds like Cassell just won the MVP trophy, but when I look at his stats for the last 2 football games this is what I find:

Denver: 17-31 196 1-0
St Louis: 15-29 184 1-1

That's barely 50% completion percentage against 2 shitty football teams WITH an outstanding running game behind him.

When I look at his record I don't think he's won a football game when he didn't get at least 140 rushing yards to support him.

The fact is Seattle and Arizona can make anybody look good. Hell, Alex Smith went for ~300 yds and 3 TDs last week vs Seattle.

At some point Casshole's gonna have to prove he can win a football game by himself without much of a running game against a good defense playing coverage. Opposing teams routinely sell out on the run when they face us. When you're only completing ~50% of your passes vs the kind of coverage he's been getting I think there are legitimate questions whether he's capable of doing that.

"But casshole is so tough and he's become a leader blah blah blah". ****ing trent dilfer was tough and a leader too. Doesn't make him a good QB. Hell, Tim Tebow's tough and a leader. Doesn't make him an NFL player.

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Old 12-20-2010, 10:18 AM   #31
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I hate to break it to you, but those QB's don't exist in reality. It's a team sport.
Well I know a QB can't LITERALLY win a game by himself.

Guys like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (in previous seasons) pretty much can.


For the record, once again before I get attacked, I LIKE CASSEL AND I'M GLAD HE'S DOING WELL.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:18 AM   #32
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Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy?

My personal opinion is the guys ceiling just isn't high enough. He's improved but he's never played anywhere close to what he's paid and without the running game his stats would be about half of what they are. I can see this team getting back to Marty era chiefs with that type of QB with a solid defense. But you've seen that movie before, and you know how it ends.
then take an f'ing hike and go somewhere else.
He is here and your constant bitching and hating isn't going to get you anywhere.......really getting old.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:18 AM   #33
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Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy?
When he stops improving or showing heart.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:19 AM   #34
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Well I know a QB can't LITERALLY win a game by himself.

Guys like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (in previous seasons) pretty much can.
yes, they can throw it and catch it all by themselves...
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:21 AM   #35
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Well I know a QB can't LITERALLY win a game by himself.

Guys like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (in previous seasons) pretty much can.


For the record, once again before I get attacked, I LIKE CASSEL AND I'M GLAD HE'S DOING WELL.
Defense never played a role with all of Brady's success. And, Manning does really well with a troubled OL; he loves having to move around.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:24 AM   #36
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Serious question for all the Cassel homers: What will it take for you to concede that he's not the guy?

My personal opinion is the guys ceiling just isn't high enough. He's improved but he's never played anywhere close to what he's paid and without the running game his stats would be about half of what they are. I can see this team getting back to Marty era chiefs with that type of QB with a solid defense. But you've seen that movie before, and you know how it ends.
You are driving in the dark there B. These aren't Cassel homers at all. We are all Chiefs Homers, or in my eyes "Real Chiefs Fans", something that you cannot claim, nor your buddy GoatCheese. You claim to only being realistic, well in reality KC in the second year of Haley and the first year of a new OC/DC combination the Chiefs are not only winning games but they are leading their division after being picked to be last. The QB has gotten better every game he's played in. Cassel may not be the Chiefs longest tenured QB but he is good and will continue to be seen as good by adding the tools needed to support the team.

I honestly doubt that you would consider Cassel a success if he won 3 SB's in a row. I know GoatCheese would probably have to go to a half-way house to be put on a safety watch if that were to happen.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:24 AM   #37
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Anyone else get a kick out of fans that have so much invested into hating their own teams players?
It is strange isn't it? If Cassel haters (and Lord knows I was one of them) can't see that he has really stepped up his play and won over his teammates as the leader they are willing to battle for, then they have some sort of deep hatred for him and/or this football team that makes them blind to it. What's the point of being a "fan" if you can't support the team and it's players for what they are right now.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:26 AM   #38
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:26 AM   #39
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Anyone else get a kick out of fans that have so much invested into hating their own teams players?
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It is strange isn't it? If Cassel haters (and Lord knows I was one of them) can't see that he has really stepped up his play and won over his teammates as the leader they are willing to battle for, then they have some sort of deep hatred for him and/or this football team that makes them blind to it. What's the point of being a "fan" if you can't support the team and it's players for what they are right now.
I think that's the point. They aren't Chiefs fans, they are just trolls that get off on shitting on success.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:28 AM   #40
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Tom, you're incredible. I run a facebook page with 550 Chiefs fan subscribers. To call me anything less than a die hard, sickeningly obsessed fan is hilarious.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:43 AM   #41
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Well I know a QB can't LITERALLY win a game by himself.

Guys like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (in previous seasons) pretty much can.


For the record, once again before I get attacked, I LIKE CASSEL AND I'M GLAD HE'S DOING WELL.
Quaterbacks like Manning and Brady don't come along very often. They are Hall of Fame QBs and to expect that from Cassel or from any QB the Chiefs might obtain is setting the bar unrealistically high.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:48 AM   #42
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Is that a requirement for a Chiefs QB? If so then we have only had one QB here that would be acceptable. This is arbritary and completely stupid standard to apply to any player.

Why not apply it to Charles or Flowers? Charles needs to score a TD on every play maybe 2, You can't get caught from behind and then whine you had cramps. What was it your time of the month? Pussy.

Thats what fans should say about Charles if they are going to force Cassel to live up to HOF standards before they can say, well he's OK.
An NFL team is limited by what their QB can do. They're not really limited by their RB. Can you see Casshole winning a superbowl? If not he's not the guy. Look around the NFL at opposing teams. How many of them have a guy at QB you can see winning a superbowl with now or in the future. These are the guys I'd have on the list right now:

Rivers, Brees, Flacco, Romo, McNabb, Manning, Vick, Manning, Schaub, Rogers, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Cutler

And these guys could potentially be on it one day:

Bradford, Stafford, Freeman, V. Young, McCoy, Matt Flynn

You might not agree with all those but if everbody put together there own list in general you'd have about half the NFL with top Qbs.

I see Casshole as a David Garrard type of Qb. Decent player but can you see Garrard winning a Superbowl? I can't. The main issue I have is I see this team going 3-4 years with Casshole before finally deciding he's not good enough and then having to spend another several years looking for someone who is. I see potential in guys like Freeman and even Colt McCoy that exceed Casshole's ceiling.

A few years ago people were perpetually bitching that we haven't drafted and developed a QB since Dawson. Well, we still haven't.

Think about what you would do if you were named GM of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Garrard is a good player but sooner or later you know you have to upgrade, don't you?

I use the example of Garrard because it eliminates emotional involvement, but it's the same situation here. I'd rather go ahead and deal with that problem ahead of time. If I were Pioli I wouldn't sit on our QB situation and I wouldn't pass on a guy who I think can be a future upgrade. The problem is I don't trust Pioli to do that and I'm afriad it'll hurt us in the future. Cassel has been the most coddled QB in NFL history and has already proven he can't exist with legit competition. After Brady's injury in New England the front office wouldn't bring in any veterans because they didn't want to rattle the Casshole. When Pioli got here he promptly ran Thigpen out of town likely because he didn't want Casshole to be under any pressure to perform. .
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:56 AM   #44
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Anyone else get a kick out of fans that have so much invested into hating their own teams players?
lol ... almost a direct correlation between the increase of Cassel's play and the decrease of the number of posts by some people.

don't worry though, his next bad game will bring an explosion of cackling chickens.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:59 AM   #45
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not only is he playing up to his contract right now...but he's exceeding it.

Seriously...enough with the contract. He's being paid like a slightly above average starter and right now he's playing like an above average starter.

So lets just get over his contract.
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