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Blaine Gabbert to the NFL!

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Old 01-03-2011, 06:34 PM   #106
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Aldon is leaving too? FML!!!

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Old 01-03-2011, 08:04 PM   #107
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A couple of thoughts...

Blaine Gabbert will be a better NFL quarterback in terms of production than he was in college. This is a great decision for him, IMO. Even IF Mallett comes out, Gabbert will crush him in terms of athleticism, interviews, and overall IQ. Gabbert is a far superior athlete (Mallett is a Bledsoe-esque statue). He'll crush the Wonderlic.

Can't wait for Mallett's test results on that... or to hear what teams think of him after hearing him wig it out.

On Franklin... he'll have to fight off the younger Gabbert. Both are more typical spread QBs than Blaine, so that will be interesting. I think Franklin-Smith are kind of like Welker-Moe comparisons. Really not that apt, and only one main similarity... Franklin is a quicker runner than Gabbert, but he is nowhere close to Brad Smith in terms of top-end speed or agility. I think he's a better runner than Daniel and Blaine and a better thrower than Brad. Zac Robinson, former oSu QB, probably is a better comparison.

Tyler Gabbert is the closest thing to Chase Daniel on the roster.

If Gabbert goes in the top 10 (or five, which is a possibility whether Luck comes out or stays), that can only help with guys like Gunner Kiel and Maty Mauk. Land one of those 2012 QBs, and the chances of nabbing Dorial Green improve.

Finally, on next year... losing Gabbert and Smith doesn't mean the season is in the dumps.

Missouri's depth at DE will really blunt the loss of Smith (especially if Kony Ealy bursts on to the scene as expected). And let's see what happens during spring practice before we say the QB situation is going to be a disaster.

Franklin walks into about as good a situation as possible for a first-time starting QB. Strong offensive line, experienced RB stable, experienced WRs corps (with some explosive newcomers like Jimmie Hunt to factor in).

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to the see the offense be a little more effective with Franklin running the show. For all of Gabbert's strengths, his tendency to take crucial sacks (for HUGE losses), his lack of efficiency on third down, and his lack of accuracy on deep balls also created some issues.
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A couple of thoughts...

Blaine Gabbert will be a better NFL quarterback in terms of production than he was in college. This is a great decision for him, IMO. Even IF Mallett comes out, Gabbert will crush him in terms of athleticism, interviews, and overall IQ. Gabbert is a far superior athlete (Mallett is a Bledsoe-esque statue). He'll crush the Wonderlic.

Can't wait for Mallett's test results on that... or to hear what teams think of him after hearing him wig it out.

On Franklin... he'll have to fight off the younger Gabbert. Both are more typical spread QBs than Blaine, so that will be interesting. I think Franklin-Smith are kind of like Welker-Moe comparisons. Really not that apt, and only one main similarity... Franklin is a quicker runner than Gabbert, but he is nowhere close to Brad Smith in terms of top-end speed or agility. I think he's a better runner than Daniel and Blaine and a better thrower than Brad. Zac Robinson, former oSu QB, probably is a better comparison.

Tyler Gabbert is the closest thing to Chase Daniel on the roster.

If Gabbert goes in the top 10 (or five, which is a possibility whether Luck comes out or stays), that can only help with guys like Gunner Kiel and Maty Mauk. Land one of those 2012 QBs, and the chances of nabbing Dorial Green improve.

Finally, on next year... losing Gabbert and Smith doesn't mean the season is in the dumps.

Missouri's depth at DE will really blunt the loss of Smith (especially if Kony Ealy bursts on to the scene as expected). And let's see what happens during spring practice before we say the QB situation is going to be a disaster.

Franklin walks into about as good a situation as possible for a first-time starting QB. Strong offensive line, experienced RB stable, experienced WRs corps (with some explosive newcomers like Jimmie Hunt to factor in).

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to the see the offense be a little more effective with Franklin running the show. For all of Gabbert's strengths, his tendency to take crucial sacks (for HUGE losses), his lack of efficiency on third down, and his lack of accuracy on deep balls also created some issues.
I mostly agree with this, but I do have some points of contention:

1) For as good as Madison, Sam, and Jacquies were this season (and for as promising as Kony Ealy has supposedly looked), Aldon was a guy you could expect to beat NFL-caliber tackles. I don't think that any of them, save for Ealy, have the athletic ability to do that. Look at the Iowa game, for example. That's a really good college line, and they all were completely absent (save for Madison's PF), whereas Aldon was constantly getting into the backfield and disrupting plays.

Losing Aldon is the difference between having the best DL in the nation and arguably the best in the conference. He was the most important player, and the best, on that defense. You can't underscore how important it is to lose a pass rusher like that. I'd compare it to the New York Giants losing a prime Strahan. For as good as Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, et. al are, there's not necessarily the one absolute terror off the line that can change a game at any point.

2) Franklin is a better fit for Yost's retard version of the spread, but keep in mind that Gabbert's talents allowed for him to make throws that simply could not be done by any QB we've ever had. Those 3rd and forevers that we were picking up in the bowl game can only be done if you have a rocket arm that can place the ball into super tight windows. That's a big loss.

3) You can't underestimate the importance of losing a Sr. QB who has 2 years of starting, and another year of intermittent playing time, when you are going into Norman, and you have to face Texas. Sr. QBs often make a huge leap their final year, even if they were already pretty good: McCoy, Harrell, and others.

4) Losing Gabbert "****s" us from the perspective of being a darkhorse NC contender. Again, I really like James Franklin, but when you lose your two best players at the two most important positions on the field when you were counting on their return, it can't help but blunt expectations.
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Getting Dorial Green-Beckham has always been a longshot, but you'd think that if we beat OU in Norman that might go a long way towards keeping him in state, especially since they are reportedly our main competition for him at this point.

I still expect USC, Auburn, or some other dirty ass slunt of a program to back up the Brinks truck to him, though.
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I mostly agree with this, but I do have some points of contention:

1) For as good as Madison, Sam, and Jacquies were this season (and for as promising as Kony Ealy has supposedly looked), Aldon was a guy you could expect to beat NFL-caliber tackles. I don't think that any of them, save for Ealy, have the athletic ability to do that. Look at the Iowa game, for example. That's a really good college line, and they all were completely absent (save for Madison's PF), whereas Aldon was constantly getting into the backfield and disrupting plays.

Losing Aldon is the difference between having the best DL in the nation and arguably the best in the conference. He was the most important player, and the best, on that defense. You can't underscore how important it is to lose a pass rusher like that. I'd compare it to the New York Giants losing a prime Strahan. For as good as Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, et. al are, there's not necessarily the one absolute terror off the line that can change a game at any point.

2) Franklin is a better fit for Yost's retard version of the spread, but keep in mind that Gabbert's talents allowed for him to make throws that simply could not be done by any QB we've ever had. Those 3rd and forevers that we were picking up in the bowl game can only be done if you have a rocket arm that can place the ball into super tight windows. That's a big loss.

3) You can't underestimate the importance of losing a Sr. QB who has 2 years of starting, and another year of intermittent playing time, when you are going into Norman, and you have to face Texas. Sr. QBs often make a huge leap their final year, even if they were already pretty good: McCoy, Harrell, and others.

4) Losing Gabbert "****s" us from the perspective of being a darkhorse NC contender. Again, I really like James Franklin, but when you lose your two best players at the two most important positions on the field when you were counting on their return, it can't help but blunt expectations.
I thought Aldon pretty much disappeared in the bowl game, honestly. As well as the entire defensive line. Part of that was because Stanzi only threw the ball 21 times - and a lot of those off of play-action, part of it was because Iowa wasn't in many predictable passing situations.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be missed, because obviously he will. Just that Missouri still will have a damn good defensive line. It still can be the best DL in the Big 12, if Hamilton is healthy and recovered and Richardson makes the expected impact.

Gabbert's arm allowed the Tigers to pick up some 3rd and forevers, but he also was pretty inefficient on third down and did not throw the deep ball well at all. Franklin doesn't have the otherworldly arm strength Gabbert did, but he's no Chase Daniel or Brad Smith. He has a strong arm.

And yeah, losing those two tempers some expectations, but it doesn't kill them IMO. Winning in Norman looks pretty tough now, but I like the odds in the rest of the games. Texas still looks like a QB-less ship, and Mack Brown has to rebuild his entire staff. (And it's at home). oSu is going to be without Blackmon and possibly Wheeden, and definitely Hunter (though they have a deep stable of backs to fall back upon).

The new Big Ten still will be wide open.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:36 AM   #112
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Getting Dorial Green-Beckham has always been a longshot, but you'd think that if we beat OU in Norman that might go a long way towards keeping him in state, especially since they are reportedly our main competition for him at this point.

I still expect USC, Auburn, or some other dirty ass slunt of a program to back up the Brinks truck to him, though.
I've actually heard that the family is not a big fan of Stoops (and this isn't just PowerMizzou info, for those that know me on both boards), and the coaching staff was pretty turned off by some recent antics of his during a visit to Green-Beckham's basketball practice). I think Slimy Bobby Petrino and Arkie actually are the main competition.
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Aldon disappeared for most of the first half, but he was quite disruptive in the second. He was consistently getting in the backfield. The problem was that once he got back there, the other holes were so big b/c of Resonno and Burge being blown off the ball, that Coker still had a shitload of real estate to navigate safely.

There were a number of plays where he stunted inside or rushed from a DT position and got good penetration into the backfield, and it wasn't Derrick Thomas "I'm gonna rush wide and leave a six yard hole off of LT" penetration, either.
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I've actually heard that the family is not a big fan of Stoops (and this isn't just PowerMizzou info, for those that know me on both boards), and the coaching staff was pretty turned off by some recent antics of his during a visit to Green-Beckham's basketball practice). I think Slimy Bobby Petrino and Arkie actually are the main competition.
That seems about right.

It's funny, Pinkel is the kind of guy that does everything ethically, but it's generally the scumbags who get the best guys in college athletics, even though they aren't looking out for the best interests of their players.

It's pretty telling when you see Pinkel's reaction to Gabbert's decision to declare (which couldn't have been more supportive) vs. Pete Carroll's fit when Sanchez declared. Both decisions really hurt the coach's ability to win next year, but Pinkel handled it the classy way.

I have no doubt that the Petrinos and Sabans of the world lay every guilt trip possible on their players in order to get them to stay (and Saban has done it through the media this year).

But, we know where nice guys often finish. That said, I'm not going to bash Pinkel for not being an inveterate scumbag.
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I'm good with this. Gabbert made NFL throws to college WRs, and those throws were dropped way too often. He will be a better pro QB than college QB. The cupboards aren't exactly bare, either.

In the long run, this helps the program. Send as much talent to the NFL as you can. The recruits will keep coming. Not too many programs have their last 3 QBs all drawing NFL paychecks. Its all about reloading, and Mizzou seems to have become a program that can do this. I think we win 10+ games next year.
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Because Wes Kemp, Jerrell Jackson, TJ Moe, Brandon Gerau, Michael Egnew, Devion Moore, and Kendial Lawrence equal Jeremy Maclin, Danario Alexander, Chase Coffman, Martin Rucker, Tony Temple, Jared Perry, Will Franklin, and Derrick Washington.
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The thing about Chase Daniel is that he actually DID SOMETHING FOR MISSOURI other than put up gaudy stats in high profile losses.

Why should I give a **** what Gabbert does in his pro career? He won't be playing for a team I care about. In his two years at Missouri, he had one great win against Oklahoma, which was sadly rendered meaningless by the outcome of the season (they're the champs, we're the chumps). Other than that, he is 0-2 for in bowl games against inferior teams, had no conference championship game appearances, and was 100% Nebraska's bitch. Nothing he does in the NFL will change any of that.

When I think of Daniel, I think about that great 2007 game against Kansas. I think about the bowl victories. When I think about Gabbert, I just think about painful, high profile losses. That's just the way it is.
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Because Wes Kemp, Jerrell Jackson, TJ Moe, Brandon Gerau, Michael Egnew, Devion Moore, and Kendial Lawrence equal Jeremy Maclin, Danario Alexander, Chase Coffman, Martin Rucker, Tony Temple, Jared Perry, Will Franklin, and Derrick Washington.
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No. I'm just making a statement that Chase Daniel is a better football player.
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The thing about Chase Daniel is that he actually DID SOMETHING FOR MISSOURI other than put up gaudy stats in high profile losses.
Not much different, IMO. Daniel beat Kansas and a then "down" Nebraska. Yes, the bowl win against ARK was great, but Temple ran the **** over that team.

Daniel was a huge part of a developing program, and he will always (correctly) be considered a foundational piece for the program.

Gabbert's win against Oklahoma, however, was just as important as any win Daniel was ever a part of.
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