Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

[JohnnyV13]

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Frankie

9/11 anyone? name me one Republican of any fame that has not used it in the last 9 years.

What did he (GW Bush) know and when did he know it? /Hillary Clinton while the rubble from the WTC towers was still smoldering.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Donger

Awesome. BEP needs to come up with a new word. CommieFascist? MarxistNazi?

I already did. It's facialist. Pay attention. You might learn something, True Brit.

[BucEyedPea]

I didn't know threats were this common:

“It’s not unusual for all public officials to get threats constantly, myself included,” Sheriff Dupnik said. “That’s the sad thing about what’s going on in America: pretty soon we’re not going to be able to find reasonable, decent people willing to subject themselves to serve in public office.”

As if all of them are decent people. Some of them are criminals who don't seem to be the ones to get killed.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us...l.html?_r=2&hp

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

**** each and every one of you who tries to use this to imply or declare anything about either side. Shame on you, and **** you.

Our government has been senselessly attacked. There are no winners in any of this.

This

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

It's still early VA, just sit back and watch the propaganda pour out in a few days. Want to make a bet on this???? I will give you all my casino cash which ain't much and doesn't mean anything but it's yours if this doesn't take place within 2-3wks. Whatta ya say? A bet???

You totally missed the point, but no big surprise there. No it won't surprise me if either fringe side tries to make political points out of this...the point was you are complaining about what will happen while doing the same thing. You are making incredible leaps and assumptions from very little information.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by jAZ

She's incredibly thoughtful. Sincere. She took tough stands on issues she cared deeply about. You wouldn't agree with her on everything, but she is an honest broker of compromise. She is a STRONG advocate for rebuilding our educational systems around science and math education. She is a huge supporter of NASA and space exploration, even before meeting Mark.

She isn't a strict constructionist like many on the right.

But when given a fair viewing by conservatives, outside the framing that comes from the horrible rhetoric of the last 18 years, she's a Dem that Republicans really like.

Still spinning the politics at a time like this.

Disgusting.

[notorious]

The politicians won't have to point any fingers, the media will gladly take that responsibility off their hands. (Both sides)

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

I will be interested to see if this kid was indeed insane (I'm thinking yes), if he had a history of psychiatric care, and, most importantly, how he got his gun. Assuming he had a documented mental illness and was receiving care for it, between him and the headcase who shot up Virginia Tech, I'm hoping something can be done to keep crazy people from buying firearms.

I'm hoping that this outlier event doesn't cause any change to anything.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Still spinning the politics at a time like this.

Disgusting.

Says the master spinner.

[banyon]

8:56 AM ET Photo Of Possible Second Suspect Released
The Pima County Sheriff's Department has released a photograph of a man they believe may be associated with Jared Lee Loughner: "He is described as a Caucasian male, approximately 40-50 years old, dark hair and was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806211.html

[banyon]

Mamta Popat/Arizona Daily Star
Jared Loughner is the man identified by the Associated Press as the suspect in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and slayings of U.S. District Judge John Roll and 5 others this morning in Tucson. Law enforcement is at house on Soledad Avenue that matches the address of the Jared Loughner who registered as a volunteer at the 2010 Tucson Festival of Books, where this photo was taken.

The man linked to the shooting today of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others is 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Associated Press reported.
Saturday afternoon, police surrounded a house at 7700 N. Soledad Ave., which is the address listed by a man with the same name on a variety of online accounts and in the volunteer registry for the 2010 Tucson Festival of Books. The home is near West Magee Road and North Thornydale Road on the northwest side, about five miles from the shooting scene.
Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik would not confirm Loughner is the suspected shooter. He said the person arrested for the shooting is uninjured and uncooperative.
The suspected shooter has made death threats before and been contacted by law-enforcement officers, but the threats weren't against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Dupnik said. The suspect is unstable, Dupnik said, but the sheriff would not say he is "insane."
A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was "obviously very disturbed."
"He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts," said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College's Northwest campus.
Sorenson doesn't recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident.
Another Pima classmate, Lydian Ali, said Loughner would frequently laugh aloud to himself during the advanced-poetry class they attended. Only about 16 people were in the class, so Loughner's behavior stood out, Ali said.
"It almost seemed like he was on his own planet, because his comments would have nothing to do with what we were talking about," Ali said.
MySpace, YouTube and Facebook accounts maintained by Loughner suggest he has spent most of his life on the northwest side: His profile says he attended Thornydale Elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View High School
The online accounts also contain bizarre discussions of a new currency and literacy, as well as threatening and despairing messages.
"WOW! I'm glad i didn't kill myself. I'll see you on National T.v.! This is foreshadow .... why doesn't anyone talk to me?.." he posted on MySpace Dec. 14.
On Dec. 13, he wrote: "I don't feel good: I'm ready to kill a police officer! I can say it."
In a posting on YouTube, Loughner wrote repeatedly about a new currency.
"I'm thinking of creating a new currency," he wrote. "Therefore, I'm thinking of a design for my new coins size, shape, color, material, and image to start a new money system."
He also wrote repeatedly about literacy. In a written message on YouTube, Loughner said: "The majority of people, who reside in District-8 are illiterate - hilarious. I don't control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure."
In a message posted on his MySpace account, titled "Goodbye friends," Loughner said: "Dear friends...please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate." It was unclear when it was posted.
In a MySpace profile, Loughner said "My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college."
He lists among his favorite books "Mein Kampf" and "The Communist Manifesto". But he also includes a broad variety of other titles, including: "Animal Farm," "Brave New World," "To Kill a Mockingbird," and "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
In another YouTube message, Loughner said: "I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen."
"In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming! Thank you!"
In a YouTube video dated Dec. 15, titled "Introduction: Jared Loughner" the accused gunman describes himself as a U.S. military recruit who had applied to join the Army. The Army, however, said it rejected Lougher as a recruit in 2008.
In the video, Loughner makes a rambling mention of "MEPS in Phoenix" a reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station in the state capital that all Arizona recruits from every branch of service pass through before leaving for basic training.
"Every United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests," it said. "Jared Loughner is a United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.
"I didn't write a belief on my Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None."
First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson, said Loughner applied to enlist in December 2008 and was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical. But "he was found to be unqualified so he never joined the Army," Homme said.
He declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.
Loughner has had at least two minor run-ins with police, according to on-line court records.
In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff's Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program.
One year later, in October 2008, Loughner was charged with a "local charge" in Marana Municipal Court, that charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009.
Court records indicate the Marana case file is due to be purged in December 2013. It's unclear what the exact charge was.
Grant Wiens, 22, attended Mountain View High School with Loughner, although they were not in the same grade.
Wiens also took a class at Pima Community College with Loughner, where they occasionally talked, he said.
"He was a guy in high school who definitely had his opinions on stuff and didn't seem to care what people thought of him," Wiens said. "He did his own thing."
Ryan Miller, 19, was a sophomore at Mountain View when Loughner was a senior.
He said Loughner was seemed like a normal kid.
"I was in shock," he said, describing his reaction to the shooting. "I didn't know what possessed someone our age to do something like this."
Stay tuned to StarNet for updates

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crim...cc4c002e0.html

[banyon]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Yeah, like it meant she was planning murder instead of taking them out of office during the last election.
Ev'r hear of the term figure of speech? I mean politics is warfare through other means. Hence the terminology.
It is war in a sense but it means killing your opponent politically. I mean Sarah is a hunter too.

Yeah, there's no problem with the violent imagery at all. It shouldn't bother anyone right? I mean what kind of hypersensitive person would object to having their name on a list with gunsightings symbolically linked to them?

Crazy people, right?:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

Ms. Giffords was also among a group of Democratic House candidates featured on the Web site of Sarah Palin’s political action committee with cross hairs over their districts, a fact that disturbed Ms. Giffords at the time.

“We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list,” Ms. Giffords said last March. “But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.”

The image is no longer on the Web site, and Ms. Palin posted a statement saying “my sincere condolences are offered to the family of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.” (Late Saturday, the map was still on Ms. Palin’s Facebook page.)

Go ahead and tell us again how there's nothing to it.

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Actions speak louder than words Ugly. Do your homework

OMG there's one of them now... RUN!!

[mlyonsd]

From all accounts on the morning shows the shooter was a very troubled wacko. Hinckley like. Or Columbine type. Or Omaha school type.

Which, IMO should be executed.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by banyon

Go ahead and tell us again how there's nothing to it.

Do we know that this nutter ever saw that graphic?