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Old 01-08-2011, 12:09 PM  
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Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:37 AM   #286
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From all accounts on the morning shows the shooter was a very troubled wacko. Hinckley like. Or Columbine type. Or Omaha school type.

Which, IMO should be executed.
I think the 9 year old's death virtually seals the deal on the capital charge.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:38 AM   #287
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Do we know that this nutter ever saw that graphic?
I'm just pointing out that saying it isn't violent imagery which can disturb people is silly, and the Congresswoman herself was bothered by it.

No, I'm sure the FBI is dumping Mr. Loughner's hard drive though, as we speak.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:40 AM   #288
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I think the 9 year old's death virtually seals the deal on the capital charge.
Not if they deem him crazy. Which to me is no reason not to carry out a capital punishment.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:42 AM   #289
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Not if they deem him crazy. Which to me is no reason not to carry out a capital punishment.
I agree.


Batshit crazy or not, a murderer is a murderer.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:43 AM   #290
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Not if they deem him crazy. Which to me is no reason not to carry out a capital punishment.
His own website demonstrates that he has a sense of right and wrong. As others in this thread have capably remarked, the legal definition of criminal insanity is quite different than even what it takes to civilly commit someone to an institution.

I think that you would agree that based on what we know so far, this guy's rantings aren't any crazier than Jeffrey Dahmer or the Unabomber, or Tim McVeigh, but those individuals were found criminally responsible for their conduct as well.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:49 AM   #291
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I'm just pointing out that saying it isn't violent imagery which can disturb people is silly, and the Congresswoman herself was bothered by it.

No, I'm sure the FBI is dumping Mr. Loughner's hard drive though, as we speak.
Crazy people can be disturbed by many things (or no things).
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His own website demonstrates that he has a sense of right and wrong. As others in this thread have capably remarked, the legal definition of criminal insanity is quite different than even what it takes to civilly commit someone to an institution.

I think that you would agree that based on what we know so far, this guy's rantings aren't any crazier than Jeffrey Dahmer or the Unabomber, or Tim McVeigh, but those individuals were found criminally responsible for their conduct as well.
I'm just going on reporting that is less than 24 hours old.

I guess I'm throwing down the gauntlet that crazy or not it shouldn't keep us from executing people that do these kinds of things.

They should give him a defense, put him on trial, and then strap him into an electric chair sitting right next to the Christmas tree in Rockefellar center next December. Light'em both up with one switch.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:54 AM   #293
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Crazy people can be disturbed by many things (or no things).
Certainly. People can be incited to violence as well.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:55 AM   #294
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Certainly. People can be incited to violence as well.
And you know nothing about what incited this guy.
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Old 01-09-2011, 09:56 AM   #295
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And you know nothing about what incited this guy.
And I didn't claim that I did.
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Yeah, there's no problem with the violent imagery at all. It shouldn't bother anyone right? I mean what kind of hypersensitive person would object to having their name on a list with gunsightings symbolically linked to them?

Crazy people, right?:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us...l.html?_r=1&hp



Go ahead and tell us again how there's nothing to it.
There's no apparent connection between anything on Palin's website and this shooting. What are you talking about?
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There's no apparent connection between anything on Palin's website and this shooting. What are you talking about?
I'm talking about the fact that the imagery on Palin's site had previously disturbed the Congresswoman and that she had directly commented on it.



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And I didn't claim that I did.
Then why did you write this?

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Then why did you write this?

"Go ahead and tell us again how there's nothing to it."
Because BEP was arguing that there was no problem at all with the imagery used on Palin's site. That it was "just a figure of speech".
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I'm talking about the fact that the imagery on Palin's site had previously disturbed the Congresswoman and that she had directly commented on it.

Which you admit you have no reason believe has bearing on what happened yesterday.

Why oh why would you bring this up, then?
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