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Old 01-08-2011, 12:09 PM  
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Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:06 AM   #301
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:06 AM   #302
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Because BEP was arguing that there was no problem at all with the imagery used on Palin's site. That it was "just a figure of speech".
And until we know whether or not this nut had seen it and was motivated by it...
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:07 AM   #303
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I'm talking about the fact that the imagery on Palin's site had previously disturbed the Congresswoman and that she had directly commented on it.

Do you have any youtubes explaining her position on social security or relations with Argentina? Is this the right thread for exploring her (apparently) irrelevant, historical issue positions
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:14 AM   #304
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Which you admit you have no reason believe has bearing on what happened yesterday.

Why oh why would you bring this up, then?
I'm the one who brought up the Palin website?
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:16 AM   #305
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Do you have any youtubes explaining her position on social security or relations with Argentina? Is this the right thread for exploring her (apparently) irrelevant, historical issue positions
You think talking about the prior acts of violence and her attitude about the nature of violent and threatening language toward her is as irrelevant as foreign relations with Argentina?

I guess it is fair to say we have a different understanding of relevance.
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:29 AM   #306
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8:56 AM ET Photo Of Possible Second Suspect Released
The Pima County Sheriff's Department has released a photograph of a man they believe may be associated with Jared Lee Loughner: "He is described as a Caucasian male, approximately 40-50 years old, dark hair and was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806211.html
I am curious if this individual had some kind of influence over the shooter. He looks like one of those anti-government types
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:32 AM   #307
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He looks like one of those anti-government types
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:38 AM   #308
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You don't think he does? He definitely looks shady
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:40 AM   #309
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You don't think he does? He definitely looks shady
Yep, I think you've got him pegged, detective.
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:40 AM   #310
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You don't think he does? He definitely looks shady
I think he looks like an out of work union worker.
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WASHINGTON -- Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others on Saturday, may have ties to anti-Semitic, anti-immigration hate group American Renaissance, according to a leaked memo from the Department of Homeland Security.

It's unclear whether Loughner maintains a direct connection to the group, however, "strong suspicion is being directed" at American Renaissance in the wake of the group being referenced in Loughner's Myspace and YouTube videos, according to the memo, which was obtained by Fox News.

American Renaissance is a white nationalist group that operates under a pseudo think tank called the New Century Foundation. The group runs a magazine and conferences based on eugenics and the superiority of whites, according to Southern Poverty Law Center.

The group considers its members to be "racial-realists," according to an "About Us" section on the American Renaissance magazine website. "Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse," the group writes. "Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism."

The pseudo-science in the magazine refers to biological superiority of whites, with titles such as "Swine Flu: Is There a Racial Link?" and "Ignoring Biological Reality Means Social and Economic Catastrophe." After President Barack Obama was elected in 2008, the magazine ran a feature called "Transition to Black Rule?"

American Renaissance is opposed to the entry of non-whites into the United States and supports Arizona's SB 1070 immigration law, which was criticized as racist and challenged by the Obama Justice Department. In an introduction to readers when the magazine was started in 1990, the publication wrote that "blacks and Hispanics are, compared to whites, far more likely to be poor, illiterate, on welfare, or in jail; they are far more likely to have illegitimate children, be addicted to drugs, or have AIDS. By no definition of international competitiveness can the presence of these populations be anything but a disadvantage."

The group's connection to anti-Semitism is slightly more complicated. Although Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis are often present at New Century Foundation conferences, group founder Jared Taylor cracked down on anti-Semitic speech in the magazine and at events, according to Southern Poverty Law Center. But after an anti-Semitic outburst at the 2006 conference, the group lost some of its Jewish supporters.



Although the motivations behind Saturday's actions remain unclear, Jewish media organizations pointed to possibly anti-Semitism after Hitler's Mein Kampf was listed as one of Loughner's favorite books. Giffords is the first Jewish U.S. representative to be elected in Arizona. Gabe Zimmerman, a Giffords aide who was killed in the shooting, was also Jewish.

On immigration, Giffords holds Blue Dog views: She supports comprehensive immigration reform, including increased border security and a path to legal status for some of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the United States. Giffords voted in December for the DREAM Act, a bill that would allow undocumented immigrants who entered the country as children, to exchange in return for military service or attending college.

Although she opposes Arizona law SB 1070, Giffords also opposed the Justice Department's lawsuit against the state to stop the law. "Congresswoman Giffords wants more federal agents on the Arizona border, not federal lawyers in court arguing with state lawyers about a law that will do nothing to increase public safety in the communities she represents," her spokesman told The Hill in June.

Giffords is mentioned several times on the American Renaissance website, but only in comments and articles from other news outlets on SB 1070 and the 2010 midterm elections.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806370.html
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:49 AM   #312
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I think he looks like an out of work union worker.
JMO. My first thought was he looked like somebody that might be in the KKK or similar group
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JMO. My first thought was he looked like somebody that might be in the KKK or similar group
Atta' boy Pink. Get him up against the wall!
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