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Old 01-08-2011, 12:09 PM  
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Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.
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Old 01-09-2011, 03:46 PM   #331
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:08 PM   #332
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Some interesting semi-news about his possible thinking. I didn't know such conspiracy thinking like this existed.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html

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Jared Lee Loughner’s rants about grammar and mind control track closely to the writings of a conspiracy theorist who believes that is how the government controls the populace, one leading group says – and the man tells POLITICO he agrees with some of Loughner’s statements.

The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

“Absolutely I would agree with it,” said Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die maker from Milwaukee who claims 1 billion “students” worldwide.
But he said any suggestion that his writings influenced Loughner to go on a shooting rampage is “ridiculous.”

“I have nothing to do with anything like that,” Miller said, suggesting that Loughner might have been under the influence of government mind control.
Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, first mentioned Miller during an appearance Saturday on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.”

“The idea weirdly enough of controlling grammar, of somehow the government using grammar to control the people is an idea that exists on the radical right. There’s a particular person, a man named David Wynn Miller who has plugged this idea for years,” Potok said.

Miller “claims to have invented truth language,” Potok said in an interview with POLITICO. “His idea is that if you only use the correct grammar and punctuation, you can throw off the shackles of the tyrannical government.”

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Old 01-09-2011, 05:24 PM   #333
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Some interesting semi-news about his possible thinking. I didn't know such conspiracy thinking like this existed.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html
I wouldn't think Olbermann trying to tie the shooter to the right as news. That's his normal shtick.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:27 PM   #334
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I wouldn't think Olbermann trying to tie the shooter to the right as news. That's his normal shtick.
I don't care about Olbermann either. It was about this grammar conspiracy I find interesting.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:37 PM   #335
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The Man is King of Hawaii. I guess that makes him "right wing".
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:46 PM   #336
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The Man is King of Hawaii. I guess that makes him "right wing".
He appears to be a whacko and has control over his people like Jones or Koresh.
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Parents of Russell Gould, 30, whose adherence to the philosophy of David Wynn Miller has landed him in trouble with the law, say their son has been "brainwashed," and they want to take him back to their Wyoming home while his court case is pending.

Dane County Circuit Judge William Foust declined to let Gould out of jail immediately, but he did lower Gould's cash bond from $30,000 to $12,000, a sum that Stella and Bruce Gould may be able to come up with if they choose to mortgage their house.

Still, as their son left the courtroom he looked at his parents and said, "Don't you ever post bail for me."

It was the latest chapter in local courts of the organization Miller, of Milwaukee, calls the Unity-States of Our World, which has its own language and own legal system and whose adherents, like Gould, have been arrested here for serving phony lawsuits on public officials.

A year ago this month, two other members of the strange group, Jason Zellmer, 23, of Oconomowoc and Janice Kay Logan, 46, of Catham, Ill., went on trial here for serving phony legal papers on the police and court officials involved in Zellmer's arrest and prosecution on a disorderly conduct charge stemming from a fight outside a campus area bar. Gould would have been the third defendant in the case, but he had not been arrested.

At the trial both Logan and Zellmer chose to speak mostly in the language called "The Truth," an invention of Miller which is supposedly based on mathematics and maritime law. It has a puzzling syntax, with meanings of words changing depending on what word is used before them. Speakers of "The Truth" also use punctuation in a strange way and pronounce each punctuation mark.

All of that caused a certain amount of mirth and humor among those who witnessed last year's trial, but the feelings expressed by Gould's parents Thursday were those of desperation and despair as they sought ways to free their son from Miller's grasp.

"I believe he is brainwashed," Stella Gould said of her son, adding that "his bizarre behavior in court has embarrassed me."

Gould sat quietly at counsel table as his parents spoke, not looking at them but occasionally shaking his head. In previous court appearances he has insisted on reading lengthy writings in the language of the Miller followers, often continuing when judges have told him to quiet down.

"Russell has been seven years with David Wynn Miller, and he has different beliefs about the legal system," his mother said. "He acted according to David Wynn Miller's teachings." She also blamed Russell Gould's hunger strike in the jail on Miller. "He's told him not to eat; he's told him not to participate," in the legal system. "David Miller has led him astray and right now he can't find his way out," she said.

Bruce Gould had even harsher words for Miller and his philosophy. He said he talked to a man who was supposedly a follower of Miller's but found the man was anything but. "When I finished my conversation with him I knew Russell was in big trouble," he said. "What he told me made the hair on the back of my head rise."

"He is a very dangerous psychopath," said Bruce Gould of Miller, "as dangerous as James Jones." Although he said he was not contending Miller would lead followers to the same kind of mass suicide Jones and his followers committed in Guyana in 1978, Bruce Gould said Miller "has the same type of control."

Miller has been in court for nearly all of the appearances of his followers, but was not in court Thursday.

In last year's trial he described himself as the king of Hawaii as well as the head of the Unity-States of Our World.

The Goulds said that in recent weeks communication with their son, who has been both in jail and Mendota Mental Health Institute, has improved and they want him to return to Wyoming.

Foust said he sympathized with the Goulds' efforts to "deprogram" Russell, but was not prepared to release him on a signature bond. His trial is set for late May.

Although a warrant had been issued for his arrest, Gould apparently managed to travel with Miller to Europe last year. He was not stopped either leaving the country or returning, despite the existence of that warrant and increased border security. In addition, he claims he has no passport.
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:05 PM   #337
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:40 PM   #338
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8:56 AM ET Photo Of Possible Second Suspect Released
The Pima County Sheriff's Department has released a photograph of a man they believe may be associated with Jared Lee Loughner: "He is described as a Caucasian male, approximately 40-50 years old, dark hair and was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806211.html
It turns out they ran down " The Fonz" and he had nothing to do with the shootings.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:46 PM   #339
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It turns out they ran down " The Fonz" and he had nothing to do with the shootings.
I can't believe someone in this story jumped the shark and it wasn't The Fonz.
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Old 01-09-2011, 07:53 PM   #340
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I can't believe someone in this story jumped the shark and it wasn't The Fonz.
Shocking, isn't it? The poor bastard was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time and he became a "person of interest."
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Shocking, isn't it? The poor bastard was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time and he became a "person of interest."
A little bit more than that. He was the cab driver who drove Loughner to the Safeway. They went in together because Loughner needed to get change - that's why they were seen together on the store video.

Which brings up a WTF - you're about to seize your moment of "history" and you're worried about over-tipping the cab driver?!
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A little bit more than that. He was the cab driver who drove Loughner to the Safeway. They went in together because Loughner needed to get change - that's why they were seen together on the store video.

Which brings up a WTF - you're about to seize your moment of "history" and you're worried about over-tipping the cab driver?!
Maybe he thought he was going to need getaway cab fare.
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I'm not condoning Palin's use of firearm rhetoric in something as unimportant as a midterm election. Not one bit.

But all the arguments I've seen here are similar to the Tipper Gores who said Doom and Doom 2 caused Columbine.
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Caitie Parker, who claims to be a former high school classmate of Loughner, has described him as “very philosophical” and a “loner” in Twitter posts.

“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” she posted.

“He was a political radical and met Giffords once before in ‘07, asked her a question and he told me she was ‘stupid and unintelligent’.”

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Caitie Parker, who claims to be a former high school classmate of Loughner, has described him as “very philosophical” and a “loner” in Twitter posts.

“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” she posted.

“He was a political radical and met Giffords once before in ‘07, asked her a question and he told me she was ‘stupid and unintelligent’.”

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