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Old 01-08-2011, 01:09 PM  
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Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:57 PM   #421
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Ok, let's assume you are right and it is all specualtion. Why is the Dem party out there in attack mode when we don't know the facts?
The same reason the Tea Party and others are trying to say he was a LWNJ...politics mostly
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:02 PM   #422
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The same reason the Tea Party and others are trying to say he was a LWNJ...politics mostly
So we are comparing voters to elected officials? What's the Sherrif's excuse?
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:04 PM   #423
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The same reason the Tea Party and others are trying to say he was a LWNJ...politics mostly
Or, maybe the tea party is in defense mode since they were called out just hours after the tragedy. Take your blinders off man.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:06 PM   #424
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So we are comparing voters to elected officials? What's the Sherrif's excuse?
What? There are Tea Party elected officials now in Congress.

The Sheriff's excuse is that his close friend just got shot in the head.

Did you read what her astronaut brother in law said today up in space?

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As I look out the window, I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful," he said. "Unfortunately, it is not."

"These days, we are constantly reminded of the unspeakable acts of violence and damage we can inflict upon one another, not just with our actions, but also with our irresponsible words," he said.

"We're better than this," he said. "We must do better."
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:10 PM   #425
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What? There are Tea Party elected officials now in Congress.

The Sheriff's excuse is that his close friend just got shot in the head.

Did you read what her astronaut brother in law said today up in space?
Aren't you a former law officer? Are you telling me that as a Sherrif it's ok to let your personal feelings get in the way of an investigation?

You sold me, the Astronaut has it solved. You all have it solved. This was all done because of words. I have a feeling that shit load of crimes start off with unlikeable words.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:12 PM   #426
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Or, maybe the tea party is in defense mode since they were called out just hours after the tragedy. Take your blinders off man.
I have. A Tea Party fund raising email from today. Awesome isn't it?

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If Jared Loughner does have a definable political ideology it is that of a far Left anarchist. Loughner is a mentally disturbed young man who sought his ideological fulfillment from the Communist Manifesto - hardly the Bible of the Tea Party movement. He posted videos of flag burning on his YouTube channel - again, antics more consistent with Blame America First liberals, not the tea party movement.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:15 PM   #427
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I have. A Tea Party fund raising email from today. Awesome isn't it?
First word being "If". A word some of you have failed to use. And I would say that a political anarchist fits him the more we hear about him.

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Old 01-10-2011, 08:22 PM   #428
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Aren't you a former law officer? Are you telling me that as a Sherrif it's ok to let your personal feelings get in the way of an investigation?

You sold me, the Astronaut has it solved. You all have it solved. This was all done because of words. I have a feeling that shit load of crimes start off with unlikeable words.
We are all human.

No one has it solved but I think politicians and the media have a responsibility to watch what they say and quit trying to make the other side the enemy and try to demonize people.

I think Bill Clinton said it best earlier this year and it really applies right now:

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But what we learned from Oklahoma City is not that we should gag each other or that we should reduce our passion for the positions we hold, but that the words we use really do matter because there are – there’s this vast echo chamber. And they go across space and they fall on the serious and the delirious, alike; they fall on the connected and the unhinged, alike.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:27 PM   #429
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When asked whether the Republicans are doing enough to calm the impassioned spirits, she responded with disapproval. "The way that (Sarah Palin) has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," she said. "When people do that, they have got to realize there are consequences to that."

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Old 01-10-2011, 08:28 PM   #430
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When asked whether the Republicans are doing enough to calm the impassioned spirits, she responded with disapproval. "The way that (Sarah Palin) has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," she said. "When people do that, they have got to realize there are consequences to that."

Hmm, wonder where here comments are about the Dem map?

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When asked whether the Republicans are doing enough to calm the impassioned spirits, she responded with disapproval. "The way that (Sarah Palin) has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," she said. "When people do that, they have got to realize there are consequences to that."

Weird. A Democrat took an opportunity to criticize Sarah Palin.
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I have. A Tea Party fund raising email from today. Awesome isn't it?
Would you have gotten that email if the dems hadn't called out the tea party in the first place?

Think what you want but I don't blame them one bit for defending themselves when the dems came out within hours trying to connect the shooting to them.

Dems over reached on this so far it is pathetic and should be pointed out by shouting from the mountain tops.
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Would you have gotten that email if the dems hadn't called out the tea party in the first place?

Think what you want but I don't blame them one bit for defending themselves when the dems came out within hours trying to connect the shooting to them.

Dems over reached on this so far it is pathetic and should be pointed out by shouting from the mountain tops.
If Sarah Palin didn't have that picture on her web site, this shooting still happens. It isn't any more complicated than that.
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Old 01-10-2011, 08:46 PM   #434
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Would you have gotten that email if the dems hadn't called out the tea party in the first place?

Think what you want but I don't blame them one bit for defending themselves when the dems came out within hours trying to connect the shooting to them.

Dems over reached on this so far it is pathetic and should be pointed out by shouting from the mountain tops.
Would you have felt the same if a Muslim organization tried to fund raise after the Hasan shooting and all the ridiculous attacks on US Muslims?

I am pretty sure you would think that would be disgusting even though they are "defending" themselves.
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Would you have felt the same if a Muslim organization tried to fund raise after the Hasan shooting and all the ridiculous attacks on US Muslims?

I am pretty sure you would think that would be disgusting even though they are "defending" themselves.
You're ****ing joking, right?
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