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Old 01-08-2011, 12:09 PM  
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Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.
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Old 01-13-2011, 05:31 AM   #826
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I didn't see the speech, I only read quotes that have been included in stories. I didn't have a problem with anything that I read. It seemed to me he was telling both sides they've been too mean spirited.
Considering he has been at the epicenter of polarization and demagogy for the last few years, maybe he should have taken some personal responsibility.
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Old 01-13-2011, 08:53 AM   #827
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Perhaps he's afraid for her because some of the people saying the hateful things just might be looney enough to carry their hate a step or two further without regard to the manner in which Keith Olbermann explains his position on the matter.
Does he share those same concerns for hateful things said by the right? If not, then I don't understand the logic. If someone puts a bullet in Obama's brain after Beck calls him a "racist who hates white people" how would that be different than if a wacko from PETA putting a bullet in Palin's noggin?

I'm not sure why there would be a distinction as to how words and angry rhetoric can cause reactions from those listening from one point of view, but not another? We have certainly plenty of examples to show violent reactions are not limited to a specific political point of view in our history.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:08 AM   #828
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Does he share those same concerns for hateful things said by the right? If not, then I don't understand the logic. If someone puts a bullet in Obama's brain after Beck calls him a "racist who hates white people" how would that be different than if a wacko from PETA putting a bullet in Palin's noggin?

I'm not sure why there would be a distinction as to how words and angry rhetoric can cause reactions from those listening from one point of view, but not another? We have certainly plenty of examples to show violent reactions are not limited to a specific political point of view in our history.
So you are saying we should employ 6 degrees of seperation in determining culpability and accountability every time some screwball decides to shoot up a crowd?
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:18 AM   #829
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Does he share those same concerns for hateful things said by the right? If not, then I don't understand the logic. If someone puts a bullet in Obama's brain after Beck calls him a "racist who hates white people" how would that be different than if a wacko from PETA putting a bullet in Palin's noggin?

I'm not sure why there would be a distinction as to how words and angry rhetoric can cause reactions from those listening from one point of view, but not another? We have certainly plenty of examples to show violent reactions are not limited to a specific political point of view in our history.
For my part, I'm not really concerned about words that might be speculated to contribute to any violent attack. Short of someone offering a reward or words of that nature, I'd think long and hard before blaming a speaker for causing another person to act violently.
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Considering he has been at the epicenter of polarization and demagogy for the last few years, maybe he should have taken some personal responsibility.
I didn't see the speech, but if he failed to admit his own complicity in the prevailing rhetorical tone, his calls for civility ring hollow to me.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:27 AM   #831
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I didn't see the speech, but if he failed to admit his own complicity in the prevailing rhetorical tone, his calls for civility ring hollow to me.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I don't think that this would have been an appropriate time for the president to try to make the speech into a personal confession and plea for absolution. In fact, I think that he would have been widely criticized for shallowly turning the focus on himself.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:31 AM   #832
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I didn't see the speech, but if he failed to admit his own complicity in the prevailing rhetorical tone, his calls for civility ring hollow to me.
Honestly, I didn't see Palin's speech. Is that what she did?
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Honestly, I didn't see Palin's speech. Is that what she did?
Why would she?
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:39 AM   #834
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Does he share those same concerns for hateful things said by the right? If not, then I don't understand the logic. If someone puts a bullet in Obama's brain after Beck calls him a "racist who hates white people" how would that be different than if a wacko from PETA putting a bullet in Palin's noggin?

I'm not sure why there would be a distinction as to how words and angry rhetoric can cause reactions from those listening from one point of view, but not another? We have certainly plenty of examples to show violent reactions are not limited to a specific political point of view in our history.
You must have misunderstood my response because the distinction is dramatic. In one case, we have people blaming the words of people like Palin for the actions of some random nutcase. In the other case, I'm suggesting that maybe the fear for Palin's safety comes from the recognition that random nutcases are saying some pretty vitriolic things and the nuttiest among them might act on their own words.
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Old 01-13-2011, 09:42 AM   #835
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No way, I'll call out Obama for what he deserves, but to be fair he CLEARLY tried to be solemn in the beginning and the stupid college kids just wouldn't let him, cheering on and on until he finally gave up and had to just bulldoze through it.

Blaming Obama for the crowd is silly, especially when the crowd was a bunch of dumb 20-somethings. The WORDS of the speech were crap, and THAT is unacceptable.
Maybe, but I'm sure you'll agree he dug every second of the love...narcissism meter back to full...
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I didn't see the speech, but if he failed to admit his own complicity in the prevailing rhetorical tone, his calls for civility ring hollow to me.
It ain't rhetoric when it spews from his mouth...it's absolute truth...and I think he really believes it, therefore can't cop to it.
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Why would she?
Because as a mama grizzly, she wants to eat people.
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Because as a mama grizzly, she wants to eat people.
OK, Demonpenz.
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I didn't see the speech, but if he failed to admit his own complicity in the prevailing rhetorical tone, his calls for civility ring hollow to me.
Same hear.


Just a few things I can recall: (paraphraisng here)

Obama called the one Police Dept. STUPID

Obama during a fundraising event in California was caught talking about the bitter people who cling to guns.

Obama just a few months ago said in a campaign speech that they could ride the same bus, as long as they sat in the "BACK of the BUS"


On how many occassions has the SEIU been very uncivil on purpose taking busses to peoples homes or offices and creating near riot conditions all for the sake of promoting Obama and the Liberal Jive ?


Obama didn't apologize for what Liberals have said and done.

Obama didn't apologize for what his pastor Rev. Wright has said.

Obama didn't apologize for his friend Biill Ayers blowing up police stations
and KILLING and injurying in the police officers.

Obama didn't apologize for what "The Dailey Kos" blogs on a dailey basis.



Obama didn't apologize at all even after all of the uncivil crap that his party and sheep have done in supporting the left and his agenda.



Obama wants everyone to be CIVIL...what a CROCK of BS
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