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Old 01-09-2011, 01:42 PM  
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Cassel did, does, and will always suck

I had backed off on my Cassel hate in the second half of the season because he actually started to play with a modicum of competence. But I never stopped being wary of him, because he was playing well against shitty, shitty ****ing teams.

But today is proof positive that Cassel is NOT the answer. He will NOT be a franchise quarterback. He simply doesn't have the ability or the intelligence that is required. He never really progressed this season; he just managed to not shit himself against the NFC West.

Can we all just agree that he's not the answer? Please?
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:06 PM   #346
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Casshole will NEVER EVER win a playoff game, how bout that? Also he doesn't even to be mentioned in the same breath as the QBs you talk about. **** him and i'll be happy when he's gone.
Wow, so you already given up on the next few years?
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:07 PM   #347
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What? How'd that 15th game of his just disappear?
Brodie croyle lost that game @SD, not Cassel

Oh I see I messed up the math......10-5 is right...... my bad
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:07 PM   #348
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No, given that he's been a starter for 2 full seasons, including a 10-5 record this year, and a 24-21 overall record, he's obviously shown himself capable of being a starter.
Great point. Just like Jamarcus Russel, Joey Harrington, etc.

But that's not a fair comparison. He's more of a Jon Kitna. Capable of starting in the NFL? I suppose. Capable of excelling at it? Not in my opinion.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope we draft a 1st rnd QB to spend a year under Cassel, only to end up with a Brees/Rivers dilemma.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:08 PM   #349
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Cassel can win in the playoffs, but it seems as though there is enough evidence to suggest that we'll need to try to evoke the '00 Ravens model. In other words, he's not the type of QB who can put a team on his back, a "franchise QB."

What we're trying to build is harder to do.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:08 PM   #350
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Maybe he can be our Tommy Maddox.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:09 PM   #351
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The term, "red herring" is derived from the use of red herrings to train the hounds used to hunt foxes. Those English dudes would drag a red herring around to teach the dog to follow the scent of the fox and not the fake, red herring odor which smells really bad after you've drug it around all day.

With that in mind, I'd just like to say that Cassel is much more similar to a dead, dragged fish than Joe Montana.

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Old 01-09-2011, 05:09 PM   #352
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Wow, so you already given up on the next few years?


why the **** not if he is the QB? 40 years does that to ya when you see the same ol same ol. Same franchise mentality can wear ya down, believe me
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:10 PM   #353
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This whole season, the Chiefs have done everything they could to put Matt Cassel in a position to succeed. For the most part, he's done that. I'm happy about that, and I root for the guy.

The thing is, he's obviously a liability, and the Chiefs know it. They're trying to hide the deficiencies of the most important player on the field. That just wont work in the end. To acheive the ultimate goal, we're going to need better than that.

I like the guy, honestly. Wish him all the best, and as long as he's a Chief, I'll root for him to succeed. But nothing about him says "Super Bowl Quarterback" to me. So until we get one, he's just a place holder.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:15 PM   #354
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why the **** not if he is the QB? 40 years does that to ya when you see the same ol same ol. Same franchise mentality can wear ya down, believe me
Been here since 1988, nothing can wear you down more than Marty or Herm...

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Old 01-09-2011, 05:15 PM   #355
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Great point. Just like Jamarcus Russel, Joey Harrington, etc.

But that's not a fair comparison. He's more of a Jon Kitna. Capable of starting in the NFL? I suppose. Capable of excelling at it? Not in my opinion.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope we draft a 1st rnd QB to spend a year under Cassel, only to end up with a Brees/Rivers dilemma.
You may be right. Cassel may never be anything but a Kitna type, who only gets to the playoffs a time or two and can't win once he's there. I'm not sure that I buy that, because I think Cassel can be more than that with a decent WR corps and a line that can hold up a bit, but it's certainly still a legitimate question at this time.

However, the O.P. chose to go full retard with his "But today is proof positive that Cassel is NOT the answer. He will NOT be a franchise quarterback. He simply doesn't have the ability or the intelligence that is required. He never really progressed this season" bullshit, and that's what I've been posting about.

Cassel's not Brady/Manning/Brees. Then again, pretty much no quarterbacks are. The question is whether or not he can be Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer/Matt Hasselbeck/Jake Delhomme/Chris Chandler/Rich Gannon.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:17 PM   #356
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Isn't life a bitch. They won a lot of games and a SB.

I don't see them blaming their qb.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/sp...html?src=twrhp
"Even the most familiar player in football, Peyton Manning, could not overcome what his team lacked: reliable receivers he could find consistently and a running game that could bail him out."

But this has been the most unusual season of Manning’s career. Two of his best receivers — Dallas Clark and Austin Collie, who both shredded the Jets in the A.F.C. championship game last season
Matt Cassel is NOT Peyton Manning. You are starting to bore me.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:18 PM   #357
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Casshole will NEVER EVER win a playoff game, how bout that? Also he doesn't even desrve to be mentioned in the same breath as the QBs you talk about. **** him and i'll be happy when he's gone.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:19 PM   #358
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There were two occasions whee Bowe was wide open or at least had a step on his man with no safety help that he waved his arm to show how open he was and wasnt even looked at. After the first quarter it seemed Cassel simply gave up trying to get the ball to him. There were another three or four times that came across the middle that he was (as reaper said) NFL open. Moeaki was open another three times at minimum.

What was equally disappointing was the fact that the defense was giving Bowe a 8-10 yard cushion for a lot of the game and we didn't run a couple quick slants to make them expect his presense. Very disapointing play calling IMO

It wasn't just those things with Cassel that were deflating about his play.

He was obviously scared in the second half. His body language after a bad play was poor. He threw the intentional grounding ball 20 yards (minimum) past anyone. He watched the pass rush instead of continuing with his reads like the bad old days. He didn't protect the ball when hit. He threw every pick right to the defender.

When the guy threw his picks, nobody seemed to go up to him to pat him on the back or give condolendes, he stood alone more times than not.
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Old 01-09-2011, 05:21 PM   #359
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There were two occasions whee Bowe was wide open or at least had a step on his man with no safety help that he waved his arm to show how open he was and wasnt even looked at. After the first quarter it seemed Cassel simply gave up trying to get the ball to him. There were another three or four times that came across the middle that he was (as reaper said) NFL open. Moeaki was open another three times at minimum.

What was equally disappointing was the fact that the defense was giving Bowe a 8-10 yard cushion for a lot of the game and we didn't run a couple quick slants to make them expect his presense. Very disapointing play calling IMO

It wasn't just those things with Cassel that were deflating about his play.

He was obviously scared in the second half. His body language after a bad play was poor. He threw the intentional grounding ball 20 yards (minimum) past anyone. He watched the pass rush instead of continuing with his reads like the bad old days. He didn't protect the ball when hit. He threw every pick right to the defender.

When the guy threw his picks, nobody seemed to go up to him to pat him on the back or give condolendes, he stood alone more times than not.
I saw Bono written all over him. Seriously.
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The question is whether or not he can be Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer/Matt Hasselbeck/Jake Delhomme/Chris Chandler/Rich Gannon.
And there's the rub. I couldn't care less if the answer to this question is yes. I want better.
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