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Old 01-17-2011, 09:43 AM  
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Is Belichik's ego out of control?

I get the feeling the last few years the man has taken his opinion of his own ability too far and it really shows in the playoffs against good teams. New England has been pounded and dominated the last 2 years against less than stellar opposition.

when you look at the Belichik approach to teambuilding it's obvious he wants 3 things:

1. He doesn't want to pay anybody

2. He doesn't want to deal with distractions

3. He'd rather win with overachievers who won't question anything than talented players who might be apt to open their mouths.

Take this years draft and personnel moves. He likely knew Moss's days were numbered but he still passed on every available upper tier receiving threat. Can you tell me New England's offense couldn't use a Dez Bryant? I believe his receivers had 1 catch yesterday. Also look at his outside pass rushers. In the last 2 years New England has passed on countless quality pass rushers in the draft, in favor of lugs like Jermaine Cunningham. They didn't have a single sack on the QB yesterday and that's inexcusable considering the quantity of draft picks they've had the last few years.

Belchik seems to forget he was able to win superbowls because he had playmakers like Corey Dillon, Richard Seymour, and Rodney Harrison - 3 of the better players and 3 of the more explosive personalities in the league.

Playing with a team full of choirboys next to a hall of fame QB might get you into the playoffs consistently, but to win you need playmakers.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:59 PM   #46
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I will bet the Patriots hate having the first round bye.
It has nothing to do with that.

They flat got beat by a better, more talented team.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:59 PM   #47
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The Pats would likely be a lot better off if they hadn't run good players off the football team (Seymour, Moss), hadn't tried to outsmart theirselves with draft picks (passing up legit talent for a plethora of average 2nd round picks), plugged holes on the team with legit NFL talent (a RB tandem of Green-Ellis and Woodhead is a travesty with all the 1st day picks they've had lately), and filled coaching holes on the football team with legit NFL coaching talent (WTF is Matt Patricia? - Do they even have an OC?).

In summary, it's genius if it works but I see a clear trend since '07 of Belichik doing things completely different than any other NFL team, completely different than he used to, and thus far the trend has been negative where it counts. The media wants to crown Belichik king for what he did from 2000-2004, and deservedly so, but the modus operandi of the football team was considerably different then. Al Davis used to be pretty good too before he went batshit crazy.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:14 PM   #48
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The Pats would likely be a lot better off if they hadn't run good players off the football team (Seymour, Moss), hadn't tried to outsmart theirselves with draft picks (passing up legit talent for a plethora of average 2nd round picks), plugged holes on the team with legit NFL talent (a RB tandem of Green-Ellis and Woodhead is a travesty with all the 1st day picks they've had lately), and filled coaching holes on the football team with legit NFL coaching talent (WTF is Matt Patricia? - Do they even have an OC?).

In summary, it's genius if it works but I see a clear trend since '07 of Belichik doing things completely different than any other NFL team, completely different than he used to, and thus far the trend has been negative where it counts. The media wants to crown Belichik king for what he did from 2000-2004, and deservedly so, but the modus operandi of the football team was considerably different then. Al Davis used to be pretty good too before he went batshit crazy.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:19 PM   #49
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The Pats would likely be a lot better off if they hadn't run good players off the football team (Seymour, Moss), hadn't tried to outsmart theirselves with draft picks (passing up legit talent for a plethora of average 2nd round picks), plugged holes on the team with legit NFL talent (a RB tandem of Green-Ellis and Woodhead is a travesty with all the 1st day picks they've had lately), and filled coaching holes on the football team with legit NFL coaching talent (WTF is Matt Patricia? - Do they even have an OC?).

In summary, it's genius if it works but I see a clear trend since '07 of Belichik doing things completely different than any other NFL team, completely different than he used to, and thus far the trend has been negative where it counts. The media wants to crown Belichik king for what he did from 2000-2004, and deservedly so, but the modus operandi of the football team was considerably different then. Al Davis used to be pretty good too before he went batshit crazy.
Actually, I thought that the past 5 years or so, Bellichick built an inconsistent winner by doing everything they didn't do in 2000-2004. Ironically, it's some of the same stuff you're criticizing him for. I thought 2010 was a return to the Patriot Way and it started with cutting Adalius and Randy Moss.

I don't think he's as good as he used to be. But 2010 seems like a year when they're bringing everything back on track.
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:43 PM   #50
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The Pats would likely be a lot better off if they hadn't run good players off the football team (Seymour, Moss), hadn't tried to outsmart theirselves with draft picks (passing up legit talent for a plethora of average 2nd round picks), plugged holes on the team with legit NFL talent (a RB tandem of Green-Ellis and Woodhead is a travesty with all the 1st day picks they've had lately), and filled coaching holes on the football team with legit NFL coaching talent (WTF is Matt Patricia? - Do they even have an OC?).

In summary, it's genius if it works but I see a clear trend since '07 of Belichik doing things completely different than any other NFL team, completely different than he used to, and thus far the trend has been negative where it counts. The media wants to crown Belichik king for what he did from 2000-2004, and deservedly so, but the modus operandi of the football team was considerably different then. Al Davis used to be pretty good too before he went batshit crazy.
I watched a report on the Patriots (maybe Inside the NFL) where the commentator mentioned that the Patriots don't believe in paying rookies more than the best stars (usually the highest paid players) on the team. Whether or not you agree with this approach I would like to think that he is setting the example for how the NFL should be run as a whole. Rookies who have never proven themselves should not make more than the current best players on the team. Belicheck then relies on coaching to coach up the players that he does get in the later rounds. This puts more pressure on BB but you can't help but give him the utmost respect if this report were true. Players who play for him probably do as well considering they know they will be respected by the rookies.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:36 PM   #51
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A lot of people keep saying stuff about the Patriots not winning a title since Spygate. That is really irrelevant. Tom Brady is still one of the best ever, so is Bellichick. They were a dynasty, I don't think Spygate was anything tbh. But the one thing that I do think is that with that loss yesterday Bellichick is officially never going to be able to rightfully have his name put along side the likes of Lombardi/Walsh/Knoll. The recent playoff record is something that clearly separates them, especially with a couple of the recent losses being home games.
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:41 PM   #52
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A lot of people keep saying stuff about the Patriots not winning a title since Spygate. That is really irrelevant. Tom Brady is still one of the best ever, so is Bellichick. They were a dynasty, I don't think Spygate was anything tbh. But the one thing that I do think is that with that loss yesterday Bellichick is officially never going to be able to rightfully have his name put along side the likes of Lombardi/Walsh/Knoll. The recent playoff record is something that clearly separates them, especially with a couple of the recent losses being home games.
You'll never be able to convince me that every ****ing team in the NFL was looking for ways to scout other teams. BB was just the one that got publicized by his former coordinator. Man-gina has proven he is a POS coach. Good luck on the unemployment line! I'll bet that after BB got caught there were a lot of films getting destroyed by other teams. BB has proven since, while under more scrutiny than any other coach, that his record is a product of good coaching and players making plays.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:44 PM   #53
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:38 AM   #54
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I love Bill Belichick. I think that pro athletes are rediculously overpaid, super consumed, rediculous distractions and open their mouths way too much. Old School; makes me like him more than ever. Greatest coach of all time
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:47 AM   #55
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The pats ran a fake punt on Sunday because their staff started to panic. The showed many different looks and confused Brady
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Old 01-18-2011, 07:50 AM   #56
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I've often wondered what coaches whom many call genius would produce without stellar athletes. Without Brady, what kind of team with the pats be; Elway somewhere else and the donks would still be perennial doormats.

Seems that so much greatness that is put onto coaches is misplaced.

Gruden comes to mind, Billick (?). I think those two had more football smarts, even though for short durations. But they got the best of what they had. Not saying their teams had overachieving scrubs.

Jets took Brady out of the game for the most part and it is obvious what the results were.
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I get the feeling the last few years the man has taken his opinion of his own ability too far and it really shows in the playoffs against good teams. New England has been pounded and dominated the last 2 years against less than stellar opposition.

when you look at the Belichik approach to teambuilding it's obvious he wants 3 things:

1. He doesn't want to pay anybody

2. He doesn't want to deal with distractions

3. He'd rather win with overachievers who won't question anything than talented players who might be apt to open their mouths.

Take this years draft and personnel moves. He likely knew Moss's days were numbered but he still passed on every available upper tier receiving threat. Can you tell me New England's offense couldn't use a Dez Bryant? I believe his receivers had 1 catch yesterday. Also look at his outside pass rushers. In the last 2 years New England has passed on countless quality pass rushers in the draft, in favor of lugs like Jermaine Cunningham. They didn't have a single sack on the QB yesterday and that's inexcusable considering the quantity of draft picks they've had the last few years.

Belchik seems to forget he was able to win superbowls because he had playmakers like Corey Dillon, Richard Seymour, and Rodney Harrison - 3 of the better players and 3 of the more explosive personalities in the league.

Playing with a team full of choirboys next to a hall of fame QB might get you into the playoffs consistently, but to win you need playmakers.
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Old 01-18-2011, 09:21 AM   #59
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Kick them around for as long as you can.

The patriots are going to love playing with those high draft picks.
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