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HonestChieffan · 07:21 PM

Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.

Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?

Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

teedubya · 10-08-2011, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

My buddy picked up an old Mosin Nagant for $100 at the gun store today - they've got a ton of them.

I'm thinking about getting one just for the hell of it at that price.

The ammo was less than $200 for 880 rounds. That was a no-brainer for me.

**frazod** · 10-08-2011, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya

The ammo was less than $200 for 880 rounds. That was a no-brainer for me.

Yeah, that's another key consideration. I also know that they're virtually indestructible - sort of the AK of their day. Shitty surplus ammo? No problem. Plus, you hit somebody with one of those rounds, they're ****ing done.

My friend's going to pick his up next weekend, and I'll go with him whenever he shoots it. If I like it, I'll get one.

Dunit35 · 10-08-2011, 09:25 PM

Fraz, I have one and it's fun. A sweet piece of Russian WWII history. It shoots like a champ and ammo is cheap. I paid $70 for 440 rounds. It's damn accurate too.

BigOlChiefsfan · 10-08-2011, 09:35 PM

Welcome, Frazod and other fellow Mosin fans. I started with one $69 rifle, and somehow wound up w/4 or 5 of these Mosin-Nagents before I made myself stop. Here's a good info source:

http://7.62x54r.net/

If you have a chance to look 'em over when you buy, I look for ones that have been treated with 'pine tar' - they don't have the orange-shellac shine that most of the guns have, they're a 'softer' mottled finish. While not a hard & fast rule, it usually indicates the gun was captured by the Finns during their Winter War with Russia, as the Finns used this stuff on most of their guns. Look for a 'proof mark' of the letters SA in a small box, on mine they're just ahead of the receiver, right side. The SA indicates it was processed by the Finnish army - they captured a ton of them at the start of their war w/Russia, more as the war went on, then bought a bunch from Germany (who also captured a lot of Russian rifles, but had no real use for 'em). Keep your eye peeled for Mosin's marked as made by Remington. They built a few boatloads for the Czar, who went under before we made delivery. The US armed some insurgents to fight the commies (the White army) w/these guns. Some of these would have interesting story if they could talk.
The Finn's sometimes just handed these out 'as is' after they marked them, sometimes they refurbed the rifles, sometimes they stripped them down and put new stocks on (w/finger joints in the stock that let the guns stay accurate in sub-zero cold -these will have pine tar, as a rule).
Some of them they eventually rebuilt into different guns using the original receiver. There were some intermediary models, but the ones I see are M39's, they'll be $250 - $400 and I like 'em. Many of these were rebuilt from scratch on an old receiver. You can get a looksee here, this fellow sells them 'online' (note that the ones w/receivers older than 1898 (or 96, look it up if you care) are deemed 'antiques' and can be shipped to your door instead of to a dealer. Saves you a transfer fee, $20 here but higher elsewhere)

http://www.gunsnammo.com/

The Russians have boatsloads of these, still, and they arsenal-refinish theirs before export, so your $90 rifle will generally be in good shape - look good, work well. Expect 'frosted' bores (they've always used Berdan style primers) so if the bore isn't shiny - them's the breaks.)

I bought a lot of ammo a few years ago when it was REALLY cheap, I'd suggest seeing what your gun likes - there are 150 grain, 180, etc...the Czech silvertip I like, the Yugo stuff I like. New Tula or Wolf is dandy - if your gun likes it.

Expect to never figure out how the safety works on these things. As some Russian officer said when asked "Is gun. Is not safe!"

Dunit35 · 10-08-2011, 09:38 PM

No kidding. The safety on that sucks.

**frazod** · 10-08-2011, 09:40 PM

My curiosity is definitely piqued by these old bastards. I definitely look forward to shooting one.

**frazod** · 10-08-2011, 09:42 PM

This is the place I'd be buying it from - any suggestions on which variant I should go with?

http://rguns.net/rifles/rifles-bolt.shtml

BigOlChiefsfan · 10-08-2011, 09:59 PM

I started on these things years ago, before they started charging a premium for the hex recievers. They do nothing for function, only form. I'd suggest you start w/their cheapo model unless you have a burning desire for one of the other models. Their 'ex sniper' models and sniper models...I'd say take a pass on those. There were sniper-rigged guns in WWII, but I don't think there were 1/10th of the sniper guns made then that are on sale these days. +coff+ scam +coff+ Those reworked m39's I listed are your best bang for the buck if you need something over and above the $80 bin. Or do what I do, just look 'em over everytime you see one in the pawn shops - people buy 'em for $80, sell 'em for $50, you can buy 'em again for $80. That's where I found my 'Finn re-worked' model. It's pretty slick, even if I'm sorta partial. And the more you know about 'em, the more fun it is to find a 'real deal'.

P.S. The little model 38's, toward the bottom of that 2nd url, are nice - and hard to find these days. They kick like a country mule, and throw an 8 foot fireball, which is why they moved on to the model 44. Those 44's, some never got issued. They have a bayonet that should be extended when shooting the gun, per the old timers. Those russians sure liked a bayonet.

Dunit35 · 10-08-2011, 10:03 PM

Mines a 1924 hex from buds or $103 shipped.

Dunit35 · 10-08-2011, 10:05 PM

Bought a hogue grip for my AR yesterday. The thing is sweet.

**frazod** · 10-08-2011, 10:05 PM

Thanks. For $100, how can you go wrong?

**frazod** · 10-08-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunit35

Bought a hogue grip for my AR yesterday. The thing is sweet.

You should post a picture - I'd like to see your setup.

Dunit35 · 10-08-2011, 10:11 PM

Currently cleaning it. Give me a few. It just has a carry handle on it now. I'm waiting on my scope to come in.

teedubya · 10-09-2011, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, that's another key consideration. I also know that they're virtually indestructible - sort of the AK of their day. Shitty surplus ammo? No problem. Plus, you hit somebody with one of those rounds, they're ****ing done.

My friend's going to pick his up next weekend, and I'll go with him whenever he shoots it. If I like it, I'll get one.

The ammo is in PRISTINE condition. Unreal. When I punctured the spam can... you could hear a tiny puff of 1940's WAR AIR entering my man cave. Cheaper Than Dirt is where I got it.

teedubya · 10-09-2011, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

This is the place I'd be buying it from - any suggestions on which variant I should go with?

http://rguns.net/rifles/rifles-bolt.shtml

I know you want the ones from the 1930s... the ones produced during the war are a bit shitty, because they were cutting corners.

01-23-2011, 10:58 AM
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10-08-2011, 09:25 PM	#1383
Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1995204	Fraz, I have one and it's fun. A sweet piece of Russian WWII history. It shoots like a champ and ammo is cheap. I paid $70 for 440 rounds. It's damn accurate too.
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10-08-2011, 09:35 PM	#1384
BigOlChiefsfan Certified Bourbon taster Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $50008122	Welcome, Frazod and other fellow Mosin fans. I started with one $69 rifle, and somehow wound up w/4 or 5 of these Mosin-Nagents before I made myself stop. Here's a good info source: http://7.62x54r.net/ If you have a chance to look 'em over when you buy, I look for ones that have been treated with 'pine tar' - they don't have the orange-shellac shine that most of the guns have, they're a 'softer' mottled finish. While not a hard & fast rule, it usually indicates the gun was captured by the Finns during their Winter War with Russia, as the Finns used this stuff on most of their guns. Look for a 'proof mark' of the letters SA in a small box, on mine they're just ahead of the receiver, right side. The SA indicates it was processed by the Finnish army - they captured a ton of them at the start of their war w/Russia, more as the war went on, then bought a bunch from Germany (who also captured a lot of Russian rifles, but had no real use for 'em). Keep your eye peeled for Mosin's marked as made by Remington. They built a few boatloads for the Czar, who went under before we made delivery. The US armed some insurgents to fight the commies (the White army) w/these guns. Some of these would have interesting story if they could talk. The Finn's sometimes just handed these out 'as is' after they marked them, sometimes they refurbed the rifles, sometimes they stripped them down and put new stocks on (w/finger joints in the stock that let the guns stay accurate in sub-zero cold -these will have pine tar, as a rule). Some of them they eventually rebuilt into different guns using the original receiver. There were some intermediary models, but the ones I see are M39's, they'll be $250 - $400 and I like 'em. Many of these were rebuilt from scratch on an old receiver. You can get a looksee here, this fellow sells them 'online' (note that the ones w/receivers older than 1898 (or 96, look it up if you care) are deemed 'antiques' and can be shipped to your door instead of to a dealer. Saves you a transfer fee, $20 here but higher elsewhere) http://www.gunsnammo.com/ The Russians have boatsloads of these, still, and they arsenal-refinish theirs before export, so your $90 rifle will generally be in good shape - look good, work well. Expect 'frosted' bores (they've always used Berdan style primers) so if the bore isn't shiny - them's the breaks.) I bought a lot of ammo a few years ago when it was REALLY cheap, I'd suggest seeing what your gun likes - there are 150 grain, 180, etc...the Czech silvertip I like, the Yugo stuff I like. New Tula or Wolf is dandy - if your gun likes it. Expect to never figure out how the safety works on these things. As some Russian officer said when asked "Is gun. Is not safe!" __________________ A man can never own too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -- R. Kipling
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10-08-2011, 09:38 PM	#1385
Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1995204	No kidding. The safety on that sucks.
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10-08-2011, 09:40 PM	#1386
frazod Keep firing, assholes! Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2832513	My curiosity is definitely piqued by these old bastards. I definitely look forward to shooting one. __________________ I'm not mean; I just don't like you.
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10-08-2011, 09:42 PM	#1387
frazod Keep firing, assholes! Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2832513	This is the place I'd be buying it from - any suggestions on which variant I should go with? http://rguns.net/rifles/rifles-bolt.shtml __________________ I'm not mean; I just don't like you.
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10-08-2011, 09:59 PM	#1388
BigOlChiefsfan Certified Bourbon taster Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $50008122	I started on these things years ago, before they started charging a premium for the hex recievers. They do nothing for function, only form. I'd suggest you start w/their cheapo model unless you have a burning desire for one of the other models. Their 'ex sniper' models and sniper models...I'd say take a pass on those. There were sniper-rigged guns in WWII, but I don't think there were 1/10th of the sniper guns made then that are on sale these days. +coff+ scam +coff+ Those reworked m39's I listed are your best bang for the buck if you need something over and above the $80 bin. Or do what I do, just look 'em over everytime you see one in the pawn shops - people buy 'em for $80, sell 'em for $50, you can buy 'em again for $80. That's where I found my 'Finn re-worked' model. It's pretty slick, even if I'm sorta partial. And the more you know about 'em, the more fun it is to find a 'real deal'. P.S. The little model 38's, toward the bottom of that 2nd url, are nice - and hard to find these days. They kick like a country mule, and throw an 8 foot fireball, which is why they moved on to the model 44. Those 44's, some never got issued. They have a bayonet that should be extended when shooting the gun, per the old timers. Those russians sure liked a bayonet. __________________ A man can never own too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. -- R. Kipling
Posts: 4,124

10-08-2011, 10:03 PM	#1389
Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1995204	Mines a 1924 hex from buds or $103 shipped.
Posts: 8,635

10-08-2011, 10:05 PM	#1390
Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1995204	Bought a hogue grip for my AR yesterday. The thing is sweet.
Posts: 8,635

10-08-2011, 10:05 PM	#1391
frazod Keep firing, assholes! Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2832513	Thanks. For $100, how can you go wrong? __________________ I'm not mean; I just don't like you.
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10-08-2011, 10:11 PM	#1393
Dunit35 Keepin it Real Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Oklahoma Casino cash: $1995204	Currently cleaning it. Give me a few. It just has a carry handle on it now. I'm waiting on my scope to come in.
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