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Old 02-02-2011, 03:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 09:17 PM   #151
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I don't talk them up. That's your insecurities getting the best of you, as usual. You are an angry, angry person who feels he constantly needs to prove himself better than everyone else by trying to tear others down. That is not only ignoran and unwise, it is a sign of a psychological condition.

In a nutshell, Jenson, you seem to display in post after post an unease with the fact that someone may know something you don't, may have done something you haven't or may have experineced something you have yet to experience.

You remind me of someone who is about to head into a maze and instead of listening to the people who already went through it, you flip them the finger, tell them how smart you are and how dumb they are and go headlong into the maze shrouded in bling ignorance.
That's the worst description of me ever put down in writing.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:17 PM   #152
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Why do you even try to discuss things with him?
I actually had the misguided idea that he was a supporter of the Church's teachings.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:18 PM   #153
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What if we divide the country at the mississippi, constructionists in the west and socialists in the east?

The West will just have to erect a wall to keep people from the East escaping... Sounds familiar.
when did California move to the east coast??????? WTF did I miss?
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:18 PM   #154
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It all has to start somewhere.


If Arizona is really serious, they better be prepared to turn down fed money and stop paying fed taxes.


There is only one state in the U.S. that has the balls and the economic muscle to actually pull seccession off, and we all know which one it is.......
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:19 PM   #155
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Jenson has yet to enter the working world and feel the impacts of the decisions made in D.C.
this is the first post that dealt with background information between pete and I in this thread.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:19 PM   #156
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What if we divide the country at the mississippi, constructionists in the west and socialists in the east?

The West will just have to erect a wall to keep people from the East escaping... Sounds familiar.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:20 PM   #157
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this is the first post that dealt with background information between pete and I in this thread.
Pete, the quoted post is what it comes down to for you.

When you run out of things to say, you resort to that.
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It all has to start somewhere.


If Arizona is really serious, they better be prepared to turn down fed money and stop paying fed taxes.


There is only one state in the U.S. that has the balls and the economic muscle to actually pull seccession off, and we all know which one it is.......
Wait, wait, wait. Why should they be when our elite, liberal universities can shun military recruiters and still expect Fed $'s?
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:21 PM   #159
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I actually had the misguided idea that he was a supporter of the Church's teachings.
You're wasting your time.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:21 PM   #160
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I actually had the misguided idea.
More than one, I should say.

Jesus doesn't want drones, you pathetic pollyanish moonbat.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:21 PM   #161
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This has been interesting but a lot of irrelevant spewing going on.

To the OP...it seems,at least to me, that what Arizona or a few Arizona legislators are saying is that they feel like the Federal government has abdicated its responsibility to protect Arizona and to maintain a border. Under the circumstances of being first ignored, then being sued to do their job, the fed has walked away from Arizona. Or so these Arizonans feel.

So, do they have as much a right to walk from the federal government? Does a federal government who treats a state with contempt have any expectations a state will not return the favor?

Just as states have implied responsibility to the union, the union has responsibility to the states.

What Arizona is saying is that Washington needs to wake up and recognize the elected administration cannot walk roughshod over whomever they choose in their attempt to impose its ideology on the country. And that when pushed too far states, Arizona being the first, will stand up to the Federal government.

This administration is deaf to signals that they disagree with. Health Care being challenged by over half the states on constitutional grounds, states like Missouri overwhelmingly saying in the ballot box they oppose nationalized HC should show that states will join together and will come to each others aid on issues people feel strongly about. Others will join Arizona. All as a result of the administrations lack of will in defending a state in a time of need.

Forcing EPA regulations as a way to get around the failure of Cap and Trade to pass will further reinforce the states need to oppose regulation that is unpopular, based on questionable science and is another manifestation of a ideology that is being imposed rather than sold and accepted. Texas will roll on that one first followed by other states.

The will of the people and the peoples desire to grant federal government certain powers is not something to be taken lightly. The result of abusing that position will and should be a reduction in the power granted until the people feel once again they can trust the federal government.

Its all about trust. This administration is burning daily the trust built up over 200 years. They should not be surprised when power is taken away.
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Pete, the quoted post is what it comes down to for you.

When you run out of things to say, you resort to that.
Resrot to what? That your are still in college and have yet to enter the working world yet want to tell those who have been in the working world for decades that you know more than them about how things are?
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That's the worst description of me ever put down in writing.
I'm gonna mark that down as an affirmation.
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That's the worst description of me ever put down in writing.
so you say now. But I think your posts say otherwise.
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More than one, I should say.

Jesus doesn't want drones, you pathetic pollyanish moonbat.
You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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