U.S. Issues Arizona posturing for de facto seccession - Page 13

Taco John · 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/117684

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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 11:57 AM

The Mad Crapper · 02-02-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71

What have you lived? ANSWER ME GOD DAMNIT

Jenson71 · 02-02-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Crapper

There is something very wrong with this kid.

You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.

**petegz28** · 02-02-2011, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71

What have you lived?

I've live in a world you know absolutely nothing about. You think you do. You will someday. But at this point in time you don't.

The Mad Crapper · 02-02-2011, 08:36 PM

Jenson is like the Pharisee who fasts for all to see--- he puts on a show and makes faces like he's in agony.

Meanwhile he's sneaking hot pockets on the side.

Jenson71 · 02-02-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

I've live in a world you know absolutely nothing about. You think you do. You will someday. But at this point in time you don't.

So you can't explain your life experiences and how they make your political opinion better than mine?

Jenson71 · 02-02-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Crapper

Jenson is like the Pharisee who fasts for all to see--- he puts on a show and makes faces like he's in agony.

Meanwhile he's sneaking hot pockets on the side.

You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.

**dirk digler** · 02-02-2011, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Crapper

I am a scumbag that is why I am going to hell

At least you are coming clean

**petegz28** · 02-02-2011, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71

So you can't explain your life experiences and how they make your political opinion better than mine?

I can and have, you just choose not to listen.

Jenson71 · 02-02-2011, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

I can and have, you just choose not to listen.

Where did you explain your life experiences and how they make your political opinions better than mine?

BIG_DADDY · 02-02-2011, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71

WHAT IS YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCE, PETE!?!?!?

Are you going to answer, or will you continue running from the question? What is your life experience, and why does it make your political views more valid?

The Mad Crapper · 02-02-2011, 08:40 PM

"Two men went up into the temple to pray;
one was Jenson71, and the other was The Mad Crapper.
Jenson71 stood and prayed to himself like this:

‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like The Mad Crapper.
I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’
But The Mad Crapper, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,

‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

**petegz28** · 02-02-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Where did you explain your life experiences and how they make your political opinions better than mine?

Do you work for a living, Jenson? Do you have to provide for yourself? Do you have to provide for kids or a loved one?

Or do you just go to school and tell everyone else how stupid they are?

I am going with the latter.

Jenson71 · 02-02-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mad Crapper

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.

BIG_DADDY · 02-02-2011, 08:42 PM

God bless Arizona and anyone who ekse who wants to follow that path.

Jenson71 · 02-02-2011, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

Do you work for a living, Jenson? Do you have to provide for yourself? Do you have to provide for kids or a loved one?

Or do you just go to school and tell everyone else how stupid they are?

I am going with the latter.

No, I do not work. I provide for myself through summer employment and loans. I do not go to school and tell everyone else how stupid they are. I go to school and learn about the legal system and how to think like a lawyer.

02-02-2011, 02:24 PM
Taco John 12on Paul Join Date: Jun 2001 Casino cash: $10084457	Arizona posturing for de facto seccession File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is." http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/117684 E.J. Montini's Columns & Blog E.J. Montini is a columnist for The Arizona Republic. Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so) Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially. Really. It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…" Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order." The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well. In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda. In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law. A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional. Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues. In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government. So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter. Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 11:57 AM
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02-02-2011, 08:36 PM	#184
The Mad Crapper Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sea of Green 23.4° Casino cash: $45794	Jenson is like the Pharisee who fasts for all to see--- he puts on a show and makes faces like he's in agony. Meanwhile he's sneaking hot pockets on the side.
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02-02-2011, 08:40 PM	#191
The Mad Crapper Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sea of Green 23.4° Casino cash: $45794	"Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was Jenson71, and the other was The Mad Crapper. Jenson71 stood and prayed to himself like this: ‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like The Mad Crapper. I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’ But The Mad Crapper, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."
Posts: 8,657

02-02-2011, 08:42 PM	#194
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: San Mateo, CA 94401 Casino cash: $56921	God bless Arizona and anyone who ekse who wants to follow that path. __________________
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