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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 08:43 PM   #196
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This is going nowhere but amusing conversations on internet message boards like this one. The desire to secede from the union will likely be a tiny minority even within Arizona.
I agree that the desire to "secede" from the union is a tiny minority. The desire to nullify laws that an overreaching federal government is making as it creeps further and further into territory that it has no business being in, however, is not such a minority.

I think it's dreaming to believe that if California discards the marijuana laws, or Arizona discards the health care laws (or whatever) that the Federal Government is going to march on the states. That's much more out there than the idea that states would enact nullification proposals.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:44 PM   #197
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No, I do not work. I provide for myself through summer employment and loans. I do not go to school and tell everyone else how stupid they are. I go to school and learn about the legal system and how to think like a lawyer.
What's that? Spoiled, arrogant and thinks they know more than everyone else? BTW, I work at a law firm.
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:45 PM   #198
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Do you work for a living, Jenson? Do you have to provide for yourself? Do you have to provide for kids or a loved one?
Specifically, how has your working or providing for your wife made your political opinions better than mine?
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:45 PM   #199
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No, I do not work. I provide for myself through summer employment and loans. I do not go to school and tell everyone else how stupid they are. I go to school and learn about the legal system and how to think like a lawyer.
What's the total up to now? Did you break $100 grand yet? That's the best part of yanking your chain every night--- knowing one day your sorry arrogant moonbat ass is going to be up shit creek without a paddle.
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What's that? Spoiled, arrogant and thinks they know more than everyone else? BTW, I work at a law firm.
Do you think you know more than me, pete?
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What's the total up to now? Did you break $100 grand yet?
You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
Don't get all sore with me because you can't get laid.

Who's going to marry you when you have $200,000 dollars in debt and no job?
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What's the total up to now? Did you break $100 grand yet? That's the best part of yanking your chain every night--- knowing one day your sorry arrogant moonbat ass is going to be up shit creek without a paddle.
This is a worthy investment. I'm at a tier one law school and I'm doing fine. No, I haven't hit that mark yet. But by the time I'm done in 2013, I will be just over it.
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Don't get all sore with me because you can't get laid.

Who's going to marry you when you have $200,000 dollars in debt and no job?
I've had a relationship with a beautiful girl for six years now.
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Don't get all sore with me because you can't get laid.

Who's going to marry you when you have $200,000 dollars in debt and no job?
Also, you mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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This is a worthy investment. I'm at a tier one law school and I'm doing fine. No, I haven't hit that mark yet. But by the time I'm done in 2013, I will be just over it.
Instant Karma's gonna get you....

Gonna knock you right in the face!



What's the monthly interest on that gonna be, ya think?
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Specifically, how has your working or providing for your wife made your political opinions better than mine?
Experience in the system vs. theory. It's like asking how a pro football player knows more about football than a fan.
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Gonna knock you right in the face!



What's the monthly interest on that gonna be, ya think?
This was really a good decision for me. I enjoy what I'm doing and I want to be a lawyer. I'm not doing it to become rich. I know I will be in debt for a while and I'm fine with that.
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Experience in the system vs. theory. It's like asking how a pro football player knows more about football than a fan.
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Specifically, how has your working or providing for your wife made your political opinions better than mine?
Because your opinions are based on nothing other than words in a book. You have not yet to feel the impacts of politics.

For example, you have no clue of how the HC bill is impacting people because you don't pay for your insurance. I liken you to a person who paper trades the stock market. Does all this studying and research, puts togeter a winning model and brags about their system but yet has no money on the table. You'd be surprised at how quickly people change once they have a dog in the fight.

So tell us, Jenson, how has the HC bill impacted your bottom line? How has it impacted your ability to provide for yourself and your family?

How do you feel about your company putting a freeze on raises as the Fed Gov passes bills left and right that jack up your cost of living?

How did you feel when you and 1,000's of your co-workers got laid off while the Fed Gov bailed out the Union workers?

How did you feel when you lost your job because it was shipped overseas?
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