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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 09:08 PM   #241
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I don't know, Jenson, you tell us. How come companies want people with experience?

I work for a law firm, tell me why lawyers out of college aren't immdiately partners? I mean afterall, they read all the law books, right?
Because law schools just give an overview of the common law and are not usually state-specific.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:08 PM   #242
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What does that have to do with secession or the price of groceries?
You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:09 PM   #243
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So then you are arguing you are always right about everything. That is the only way you can always forsee all bad things.
That's not what that sentence says.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:10 PM   #244
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Like not having a job and a $800 dollar a month interest payment on a student loan.
That's possible. But I would hang up my own shingle.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:10 PM   #245
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Do you think all people who pay for groceries are in favor of secession and those who don't pay for groceries are not in favor of secession?
I wouldn't draw it down those lines but I see I am arguing with a kid in school who is talking about how bad secession is with someone who actually does have to pay for groceries.

It's real easy for you to sit in the classroom and talk about what is and isn't good for everyone because you don't have a dog in the hunt. If taxes go up or the cost of food goes up or the cost of insurance goes up it means little to you because your impacted mimimally if at all.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:11 PM   #246
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That's possible. But I would hang up my own shingle.


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That's not what that sentence says.
You said bad things are foreseeable. I sad some bad things are foreseeable. You tell me how all bad things are foreseeable, please?
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Because law schools just give an overview of the common law and are not usually state-specific.
Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with experience at all. That is why all these companies want people with experience for good paying jobs and why kids out of college despite their 4.0 GPA still start at the bottom.
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No, that is not his theory. That is fact. The biggest surprise you got coming in your life is when you figure out that there is what all the book say and there is the way it is.
I just can't get over how ridiculous this is. As if I'm sitting here with a copy of Thomas More's Utopia at my side, writing about how such and such can't happen, because of my book, and you are talking about real world events.

You're such a caricature of the old wise man on the porch whose seen it and heard it all due to their years of living.

No, you're just an obese moron who posts on an internet board and argues with people about things like American politics and Royals baseball.
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Jenson you don't have a clue. You are heading for such a trainwreck and you know what I think?

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I just can't get over how ridiculous this is. As if I'm sitting here with a copy of Thomas More's Utopia at my side, writing about how such and such can't happen, because of my book, and you are talking about real world events.

You're such a caricature of the old wise man on the porch whose seen it and heard it all due to their years of living.

No, you're just an obese moron who posts on an internet board and argues with people about things like American politics and Royals baseball.
this coming from a kid who is still in school and has yet to work for a living. I got it.
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I wouldn't draw it down those lines but I see I am arguing with a kid in school who is talking about how bad secession is with someone who actually does have to pay for groceries.

It's real easy for you to sit in the classroom and talk about what is and isn't good for everyone because you don't have a dog in the hunt. If taxes go up or the cost of food goes up or the cost of insurance goes up it means little to you because your impacted mimimally if at all.
Alright, first of all, I do pay for groceries. Secondly, law students aren't Film Studies PhD candidates that talk about deconstruction and a new feminist twist on Marxism and bringing back the Trotsky dream.

I don't sit in a classroom and talk about what is and isn't good for everyone. I sit in a classroom and listen to professors talk about Long-Arm statutes and how the UCC governs business contracts.
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You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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You said bad things are foreseeable. I sad some bad things are foreseeable. You tell me how all bad things are foreseeable, please?
I said "Bad things are foreseeable." How does that equate to "All bad things are foreseeable?"
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I said "Bad things are foreseeable." How does that equate to "All bad things are foreseeable?"
Cause I corrected you and said "some bad things are foreseeable" and you chose to argue that point.
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