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Old 02-02-2011, 02:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 09:50 PM   #286
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:51 PM   #287
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Good point. Okay, I support Arizona seceding from the United States.
You're such a dumbass.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:52 PM   #288
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You're such a dumbass.
My life experiences trump yours. I've seen more, I've done more, I know more.
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So you "paid" state income taxes on part time job? Did they not take taxes out or were you just lending the state money until you got your refund?
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Yep, you sure have.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:56 PM   #291
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So you "paid" state income taxes on part time job? Did they not take taxes out or were you just lending the state money until you got your refund?
You tell me pete. What's the real world do? I just read the book.
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Yep, you sure have.
What are these life experiences you think are so amazingly difficult that you've had to overcome? Paying taxes? Buying groceries? For all the game you talk, you better have been born a poor black child, been paralyzed, learned to walk, fought in the Gulf War, and ran a multi-billion dollar company.
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You tell me pete. What's the real world do? I just read the book.
Well, if you are me I write a check to the Fed Gov and State every April 15th on top of what they take out of my check. What do you do? The books say people with part time jobs end up paying jack shit in taxes unless your pay doesn't have tax taken out. In which you still probably net-net $0 paid.
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Well, if you are me I write a check to the Fed Gov and State every April 15th on top of what they take out of my check. What do you do? The books say people with part time jobs end up paying jack shit in taxes unless your pay doesn't have tax taken out. In which you still probably net-net $0 paid.
Since I earned so little, I could file a return for my fed taxes.
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So, Jenson, tell us how you felt when you got your yearly statement from your mortgage company and it says your home value declined but your property taxes went up?

Oh wait, they wouldn't make a difference in how someone might vote, would it?
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Since I earned so little, I could file a return for my fed taxes.
In other words you lived off of me and everyone else who actually paid taxes. Again, I can't see how that would make a difference to someone come voting time.
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So, Jenson, tell us how you felt when you got your yearly statement from your mortgage company and it says your home value declined but your property taxes went up?

Oh wait, they wouldn't make a difference in how someone might vote, would it?
It completely validates seceding from the United States.

I don't know if you know what the argument is anymore. I think you think it's "economics matters."
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Something happened between 1861 and 1864. Google it, see what you find.
Hey, you're right! This has been tried before!
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In other words you lived off of me and everyone else who actually paid taxes. Again, I can't see how that would make a difference to someone come voting time.
Yeah, you make no sense.
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Hey, you're right! This has been tried before!
Yes, but have you paid federal taxes and a week's worth of groceries? Because uh, that's what this is really about here.
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