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Old 02-11-2011, 09:17 AM  
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Mubarak Steps Down

'Egypt is free! Egypt is free!'

Wild cheers erupted from tens of thousands of demonstrators in Cairo's Tahrir Square after word spread that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has resigned. Demonstrators chanted "Egypt is free!" upon hearing the news.

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Old 02-11-2011, 01:53 PM   #181
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How do you know it is going to be anti-American? Do you have a crystal ball?

All I support is for the Egyptian people to decide their own fate just like we did. What is wrong with that?
No, we were talking about the hypothetical where they choose an anti-American form of government. You supported it as their right. Don't run from it now.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:55 PM   #182
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No, we were talking about the hypothetical where they choose an anti-American form of government. You supported it as their right. Don't run from it now.
I completely support it as their right.

I would pressure them for reform, but I'm not going to tell them how to run their own country.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:55 PM   #183
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My reasoning for that is simple: one of the most important things we as a people can do to help democracy bloom is to simply pay attention when people fight for it.

It is so simple. Requires a minute amount of effort. Anybody can do it.

And that simple effort can help mountains move.

My apologies if you don't like the way I write. I guess.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, just the apparent weight you put on it.

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Because it did. Every grassroots movement is different. Some are overnight, others congeal over time. This one was a slowburn.
No, you don't know that what happened in Iran had anything to do with Egypt or Tunisia. It may have, however, but unlike you, I'm not going to state such a thing as fact without some evidence.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:55 PM   #184
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Mmm... Not sure I'd go that far.

Although it certainly had an effect. Democracy and self-governance is such a powerful force that even in the face of overwhelming violence, Iraqis turned out in phenomenal numbers to vote, in an exercise of power that had to have made others who lack that self-determination long for it.

You're doing your argument a disservice when you say "any" success. That's too simplistic for me to agree with.
It's the seminal event at the headwater of this river of demonstrations for freedom.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:56 PM   #185
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I completely support it as their right.

I would pressure them for reform, but I'm not going to tell them how to run their own country.
You're going to have to share the dunce cap with dirk because I only brought one.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:56 PM   #186
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I don't disagree with the sentiment, just the apparent weight you put on it.
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No, you don't know that what happened in Iran had anything to do with Egypt or Tunisia. It may have, however, but unlike you, I'm not going to state such a thing as fact without some evidence.
That's irrelevent.

You asked why it took so long. I explained why. These things can and do take time. Revolutions that begin on the start of a dime are the extremely rare exception.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:57 PM   #187
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It's the seminal event at the headwater of this river of demonstrations for freedom.
I feel like I just won patteeu bingo.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:57 PM   #188
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I would liken Iraq and Iran to gunpowder being poured in the area. The Tunisian vendor was the spark. If it hadn't been him, it would have been someone/something else.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:57 PM   #189
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:58 PM   #190
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I'm glad that posting in different colored font means people contributed to this happening, no matter how minute an effect it had. Because that then means anyone that's ever posted insults toward other people here is partly responsible for the tone of negative and dangerous rhetoric they've been complaining about when it comes from politicians like Sharron Angle.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:58 PM   #191
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I would liken Iraq and Iran to gunpowder being poured in the area. The Tunisian vendor was the spark. If it hadn't been him, it would have been someone/something else.
I would say that's completely fair.
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How do you know it is going to be anti-American? Do you have a crystal ball?

All I support is for the Egyptian people to decide their own fate just like we did. What is wrong with that?
What if the fate they decide also decides the peace treaties with Israel are null and void? You ok with that?
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I'm glad that posting in different colored font means people contributed to this happening, no matter how minute an effect it had. Because that then means anyone that's ever posted insults toward other people here is partly responsible for the tone of negative and dangerous rhetoric they've been complaining about when it comes from politicians like Sharron Angle.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:59 PM   #194
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What if the fate they decide also decides the peace treaties with Israel are null and void? You ok with that?
I wouldn't be okay with that. I also see no reason why that would occur.

Egypt doesn't want war with Israel. They've tried that and they were kinda bad at it.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:59 PM   #195
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Explain.
You having green font on a football forum does nothing for the Palestinians. It just makes you feel good about yourself.

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That's irrelevent.

You asked why it took so long. I explained why. These things can and do take time. Revolutions that begin on the start of a dime are the extremely rare exception.
No, it really isn't irrelevant.

The catalyst for Egypt having their revolt now was the dude having a self-BBQ. Would you agree with that?
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