Mubarak Steps Down

[Jenson71]

'Egypt is free! Egypt is free!'

Wild cheers erupted from tens of thousands of demonstrators in Cairo's Tahrir Square after word spread that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has resigned. Demonstrators chanted "Egypt is free!" upon hearing the news.

http://www.cnn.com/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/wo...t.html?_r=1&hp

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

"When I post insults it doesn't have any affect on the negative tone of political discourse."

"When I post in green font I create revolutions."

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Donger

You having green font on a football forum does nothing for the Palestinians. It just makes you feel good about yourself.

I wasn't sporting green font for the Palestinians.

Originally Posted by Donger

No, it really isn't irrelevant.

The catalyst for Egypt having their revolt now was the dude having a self-BBQ. Would you agree with that?

You're changing the subject.

You're asking why the revolt didn't take place overnight, rather than over time.

Most revolts occur over time, not overnight.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by patteeu

No, we were talking about the hypothetical where they choose an anti-American form of government. You supported it as their right. Don't run from it now.

I support their right to choose do you?

It seems to me you only support their right to choose if they do what you want.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I completely support it as their right.

I would pressure them for reform, but I'm not going to tell them how to run their own country.

What is your standard on when you don't want to meddle in the affairs of others? Is it strictly a democracy/non-democracy thing.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by blaise

"When I post insults it doesn't have any affect on the negative tone of political discourse."

"When I post in green font I create revolutions."

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I wouldn't be okay with that. I also see no reason why that would occur.

Egypt doesn't want war with Israel. They've tried that and they were kinda bad at it.

Not trying to be Debbie Downer here.....just pointing out the obvious that a lot of cards need to play out before we can decide if this truly is a skip thru the daisy field day.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

What is your standard on when you don't want to meddle in the affairs of others? Is it strictly a democracy/non-democracy thing.

Excellent question.

Give me an hour for work. I'll be back with thoughts. I have a feeling I may have to consider my thoughts on that anyway...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I wasn't sporting green font for the Palestinians.

That shows you how much weight it has, eh? I'm sure an Arab speaker would pay more attention to your support, however.

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You're changing the subject.

You're asking why the revolt didn't take place overnight, rather than over time.

Most revolts occur over time, not overnight.

No I'm not. Here's my first post to you:

"I could have sworn that it all started in Tunisia when some dude set himself on fire in protest of some wrong done him (that had nothing to do with Iran).

Am I wrong?"

So, was Tunisia the spark for Egypt or not?

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by The Mad Crapper

This is the conversation we'll be having in about 5-10 years about the United States.

lol.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

What if the fate they decide also decides the peace treaties with Israel are null and void? You ok with that?

Of course not. That is not what I am saying. All I am saying is I support their right to pick who leads their country. That is what the people of Egypt want.

[FAX]

I think this whole deal was fomented internally (within Egypt) by Israeli, US, and European provocateurs for the sole purpose of initiating war between the two countries. The idea, of course, is that the conflict will spread throughout the Middle East providing Israel with justification and opportunity to eliminate the nuclear threat posed by Iran.

FAX

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I support their right to choose do you?

It seems to me you only support their right to choose if they do what you want.

Right. If they choose something I don't want, like to join in league with al Qaeda in an effort to destroy the US, I don't support that and I'd be in favor of using whatever force is necessary to change their minds.

[Otter]

I'll get all giddy and slap happy about this when I can determine it's the beginning of democracy as opposed to secular clans and civil war that Bum****Barry will feel obligated to ride in on his 10-speed and dorky helmet to fix with a couple billion dollars he doesn't have in the first place.

Remember how taking down Saddam would release the democracy loving butterfly in those Iraqi caterpillars?

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Otter

I'll get all giddy and slap happy about this when I can determine it's the beginning of democracy as opposed to secular clans and civil war that Bum****Barry will feel obligated to ride in on his 10-speed and dorky helmet to fix with a couple billion dollars he doesn't have in the first place.

Remember how taking down Saddam would release the democracy loving butterfly in those Iraqi caterpillars?

There was also that Shaw dude.

FAX

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Let's face it. Any success on the part of freedom in the Middle East owes a great deal of credit to the American liberation of Iraq for getting the ball rolling.

Not a single Arab would agree to that. If that is right, then why didn't we people protest shortly after that?

The biggest credit is due to Mohammad Boazizi may God bless his soul, he is the one who started this rolling, albeit unintentionally. Attributing this to what the US did in Iraq is laughable. In fact, every Arab compares what happened in Egypt and Tunisia to Iraq in a negative way. They say, over 1 Million people died to "liberate" Iraq while only less than a 1000 and less than 60 days to liberate Egypt and Tunisia combined.