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Old 02-11-2011, 10:17 AM  
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Mubarak Steps Down

'Egypt is free! Egypt is free!'

Wild cheers erupted from tens of thousands of demonstrators in Cairo's Tahrir Square after word spread that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has resigned. Demonstrators chanted "Egypt is free!" upon hearing the news.

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Old 02-11-2011, 04:29 PM   #271
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So you hate W then...




"I'm a socialist.....that is EXACTLY what people would call me. I'd let non-producers like you starve in a pile of your own soiled head diapers. Socialize that."


So... you hate W, then, for socializing senior drugs by lying about the cost estimate???



Your problem is, you say you are for one thing, and then you cheer for the guy who was taking the US down 180 degrees the opposite direction...
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:32 PM   #272
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Oh that? Well, IIRC, I asked that question because I was inquiring about why Iranians would want to do such a thing.
Exactly.

So forgive me if I fail to recognize your foreign policy genius when you're asking questions like this.

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Not as much as being out on the streets publicly, no. Just like your digital support for Palestinians.


Your rules. Are hilarious.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:33 PM   #273
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I'm just saying that poor people in the third world have a history of being lured by the siren song of socialism when economic times are tough and when they're coming out from under the heel of a repressive dictatorship. Islamist populism might appeal to the more religious folks, but for the "secular" crowd socialism is a bigger danger.
That's fair.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:35 PM   #274
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Exactly.

So forgive me if I fail to recognize your foreign policy genius when you're asking questions like this.
Says the gal who thought Palestine was a country?



I don't remember the details of that conversation, but I would imagine that I was making a point about WHY the Iranians would have signs written in English. You didn't really think that I thought that was the language in Iran, did you?

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Your rules. Are hilarious.
Meh. I've given you some reasoning behind my rules. Your rules seem to be wishful thinking.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:39 PM   #275
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This was the greatest military coup ever dreamed up. Let the people do the dirty work and then step in at the end, grab power, dissolve the cabinet, shut Parliament down and all in the name of free and fair. Oh, and Sulieman was responsible for the torture of Iraqi insurgents as head of the Egyptian intelligence service.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:40 PM   #276
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I don't remember the details of that conversation, but I would imagine that I was making a point about WHY the Iranians would have signs written in English.
And the fact that you had to ask is hilarious.

Egyptians had signs in English, Donger. The answer is incredibly obvious as to why.

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Meh. I've given you some reasoning behind my rules. Your rules seem to be wishful thinking.
No I like the "Twitter doesn't count, but a protest sign does" rationale.

It makes nothing but sense, I assure you.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:44 PM   #277
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And the fact that you had to ask is hilarious.

Egyptians had signs in English, Donger. The answer is incredibly obvious as to why.
Again, I don't recall the details of the conversation, but here's a probable hint: I already knew the answer to the question. They wanted to garner non-Iranian support and show the English-speaking world their grievances. Pretty simple, really.

Just like knowing that Palestine isn't a country.

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No I like the "Twitter doesn't count, but a protest sign does" rationale.

It makes nothing but sense, I assure you.
It certainly makes a lot more sense that the Egyptians saw a successful revolt in Tunisia and decided to act than it does watching the Iranians get their asses kicked and deciding to emulate that, doesn't it?

Oh wait. They didn't do that.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:46 PM   #278
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Here's another one, Direckshun:

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backc...-unprecedented
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:49 PM   #279
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Again, I don't recall the details of the conversation, but here's a probable hint: I already knew the answer to the question. They wanted to garner non-Iranian support and show the English-speaking world their grievances. Pretty simple, really.
Then you must have been TOTALLY goofing around when you said they shouldn't have their signs on English. Surely the joke is on me.

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It certainly makes a lot more sense that the Egyptians saw a successful revolt in Tunisia and decided to act than it does watching the Iranians get their asses kicked and deciding to emulate that, doesn't it?
I'm not arguing either/or here. You are. I'm saying they both had a hand in fomenting the atmosphere for something like this to happen.

The Iranian revolution of 2009 had few factors that differed it in terms of on-the-ground protesting from the Tunisia protests. The difference, at least in terms of protesting tactics, was that the regime in Iran is much more brutal than the regime in Tunisia was.

Iran proved to be a great sounding board that a protest could be mounted against even an especially brutal regime, weakening the regime in crippling ways internationally, with minimal casualties. Not that many people lost their lives in the Green Revolution (which, to a lesser extent, continues today). And now the hunger for democracy in that country is the strongest its been in history.

That's a pretty big event to keep in mind, considering Iran's vast influence on the Middle East. To claim Egypt's revolution could not be traced back even one bit to it is ignorant of the politics of the region.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:50 PM   #280
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You're not even remotely denting my points with these links.

I'm not arguing, nor have I ever argued, that Tunisia didn't play a huge role in this.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:52 PM   #281
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direckshun, don't be modest. These rallies aren't happening because of the half hearted attempt in Iran...It's because you were GREEN texting for Iran.
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Then you must have been TOTALLY goofing around when you said they shouldn't have their signs on English. Surely the joke is on me.
Again, I don't recall the specifics of the discussion, but I probably was having fun with you. I'm well aware of the language spoken in Iran. It's Arabic.

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I'm not arguing either/or here. You are. I'm saying they both had a hand in fomenting the atmosphere for something like this to happen.

The Iranian revolution of 2009 had few factors that differed it in terms of on-the-ground protesting from the Tunisia protests. The difference, at least in terms of protesting tactics, was that the regime in Iran is much more brutal than the regime in Tunisia was.

Iran proved to be a great sounding board that a protest could be mounted against even an especially brutal regime, weakening the regime in crippling ways internationally, with minimal casualties. Not that many people lost their lives in the Iranian revolution. And now the hunger for democracy in that country is the strongest its been in history.

That's a pretty big event to keep in mind, considering Iran's vast influence on the Middle East. To Egypt's revolution could not be traced back even one bit to it is ignorant of the politics of the region.
Other than a claim of a few tweets, you apparently don't have anything to back up your claim that the protests in Iran had anything to do with the revolt in Egypt. Or do you?
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You're not even remotely denting my points with these links.

I'm not arguing, nor have I ever argued, that Tunisia didn't play a huge role in this.
No, you claimed this:

"Iran's failure to overthrow their autocrats was a moral victory that put down an emotional deposit that Tunisia, Egypt, and soon other countries have started to cash."

I was merely using those to provide you with my reasoning, as you requested.
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Old 02-11-2011, 04:57 PM   #284
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Again, I don't recall the specifics of the discussion, but I probably was having fun with you.
Yeah, let's just say that was the case. We so often have fun together.

"Uh... I was just kidding."

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Other than a claim of a few tweets, you apparently don't have anything to back up your claim that the protests in Iran had anything to do with the revolt in Egypt. Or do you?
Let me get your point straight:

Would you argue that Egypt's revolution had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the Green Revolution?
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No, you claimed this:

"Iran's failure to overthrow their autocrats was a moral victory that put down an emotional deposit that Tunisia, Egypt, and soon other countries have started to cash."

I was merely using those to provide you with my reasoning, as you requested.
I fail to see where I claim Tunisia didn't have a large role in Egypt's uprising.
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