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Old 02-12-2011, 02:17 PM  
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Protests in Algeria and Yemen



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12441180

Anti-government protests broken up in Yemen and Algeria

A heavy security presence contained the protest in Algiers then broke it up

Riot police in Algiers dispersed thousands of people who had defied a government ban to demand that President Abdelaziz Bouteflika step down.

A similar march in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, calling for President Ali Abdullah Saleh to leave office was attacked by government supporters.

Egypt's Hosni Mubarak stepped down on Friday after 18 days of mass protests.

Both Yemen and Algeria, like other countries in the region, have recently witnessed demonstrations for greater freedoms and improved living standards.

'Fear broken'
Protesters in Algiers evaded thousands of police who were deployed in and around the capital city ahead of the demonstration.

Public demonstrations are banned in Algeria under a state of emergency in place since 1992.

Anti-government protesters took to the streets of Yemen
The protesters gathered at Algiers' 1 May Square on Saturday morning.

They chanted "Bouteflika out!" - in reference to the country's president, who came to power in 1999.

The heavy police presence prevented them from marching to Martyrs Square, about 5km (3 miles) away. Rights groups said hundreds of people were arrested.

By late in the afternoon only a few hundred people were left in 1 May Square.

But the protest's organisers hailed it as a success.

"We've broken the wall of fear, this is only a beginning," said Fodil Boumala, one of the founders of the National Co-ordination for Change and Democracy.

"The Algerians have won back their capital."

'Ali's turn'
In Yemen, it was supporters of President Saleh, in power since 1978, who forced anti-government protesters from the centre of Sanaa.

Several thousand protesters had gathered chanting: "After Mubarak, it's Ali's turn."

Supporters of the president, armed with traditional Yemeni knives and sticks, turned up and forced the protesters, many of them students, to flee.

It came after protesters celebrating the toppling of Egypt's President Mubarak on Friday night were driven out from Sanaa's Tahrir Square by armed men.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:20 PM   #2
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Obama will be on tv Monday morning demanding these leaders step down and taking credit for all of this.
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It would be nice if in just one of these situations we heard Moderate Muslims come out against the Radical Islamists. I would put some hope behind it turning out well for the people but until then, its a 50 50 deal it could be worse than it was for a lot of people.
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It would be nice if in just one of these situations we heard Moderate Muslims come out against the Radical Islamists. I would put some hope behind it turning out well for the people but until then, its a 50 50 deal it could be worse than it was for a lot of people.
moderate muslims don't make good stories on the news...

from what little i've seen, they do seem to be speaking out against radical islamists...

better yet, some actively oppose radicals in places like iraq and the philippines, places where moderate muslims are at war with radicals...

even in afghanistan, somewhat moderate muslims are fighting the radical taliban...
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:44 PM   #5
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There was unrest already in these places even before Egypt. AQ is in Yemen though.
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in egypt the mulsim brotherhood has forsworn violence, although their politics are certainly radical...

yet they are a big part of the democracy movement that forced the dictator out and will have a seat at the table...

so far, they have been fully accepted by the mainstream demonstrators and haven't given any reason for the moderates to speak out against them...

if radicals give up violence and become part of the political process, isn't that democracy in action?

overall i'm guardedly optimistic about the democracy groups coalescing in the middle east...
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It would be nice if in just one of these situations we heard Moderate Muslims come out against the Radical Islamists. I would put some hope behind it turning out well for the people but until then, its a 50 50 deal it could be worse than it was for a lot of people.
It does happen; perhaps you either don't want to see it or they don't shot it on Fox News.
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in egypt the mulsim brotherhood has forsworn violence, although their politics are certainly radical...

yet they are a big part of the democracy movement that forced the dictator out and will have a seat at the table...

so far, they have been fully accepted by the mainstream demonstrators and haven't given any reason for the moderates to speak out against them...

if radicals give up violence and become part of the political process, isn't that democracy in action?

overall i'm guardedly optimistic about the democracy groups coalescing in the middle east...

They also know the military has the control for now. When we see who is leading we will have some basis to take a step back.
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The sound of silence from Washington on Algeria issue is amazing. I wonder if Clappper has been told there is a little problem or if Panetta has been watching TV yet.
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They also know the military has the control for now. When we see who is leading we will have some basis to take a step back.
absolutely right about who ends up leading the country...

one consolation is that there won't be any radical islamic rule as long as the military is in charge...
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The sound of silence from Washington on Algeria issue is amazing. I wonder if Clappper has been told there is a little problem or if Panetta has been watching TV yet.
panetta needs to watch al jeersrah to see what's happening in the me generally...
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It does happen; perhaps you either don't want to see it or they don't shot it on Fox News.
Must be well hidden. Can you point me to some evidence where this is happening on any scale at all?
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Must be well hidden. Can you point me to some evidence where this is happening on any scale at all?
it is rarely reported in msm (since moderates don't sell papers, ectremists do), but moderate muslims from the king of jordan to mainstream american muslims do speak out against radicals and terrorism...

there were no msm reports that i could find in the first few pages of google...

there was one article on a mormon website http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...terrorism.html

it just isn't newsworthy for the msm, including fixed (is that what lahilarious calls fox?)...
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