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Old 02-16-2011, 08:39 AM  
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Immigration Fingerprint Program Now In Colo

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DENVER -- A rapidly expanding federal program that identifies illegal immigrants when they're arrested and fingerprinted is now operational in Denver, El Paso and Arapahoe counties.

Colorado Department of Public Safety spokesman Lance Clem said Secure Communities was launched Tuesday in the three jurisdictions.

The program checks arrestee's fingerprints against six federal databases to determine the person's legal status and arrest record.

Critics argue it creates an incentive for racial profiling. Denver Mayor Bill Vidal calls it "worrisome" and says it should be monitored closely.

The Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Office said within two hours after the fingerprints are submitted, the office will receive information regarding an inmate’s immigration status and a determination of whether U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will place a deportation detainer on the arrestee who is an illegal alien.

"This is a very important program that will have a positive impact upon public safety, will enhance our ability to identify criminal aliens, and will focus upon the timely deportation of those who continue to victimize our community," said Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson.

Both the County Sheriffs of Colorado and the Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police support it.

Secure Communities was launched in 2007. ICE said last week that Secure Communities is active in more than 1,000 jurisdictions in 38 states.

ICE hopes to have it in every jail in the country by 2013.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:55 AM   #2
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I'm confused.

I was under the impression that it was standard practice to fingerprint everyone who was arrested? Am I mistaken here?

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Old 02-16-2011, 09:00 AM   #3
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Unless they have every American's fingerprints in the database, how can they tell citizenship status? Do you presume that a person is illegal if their fingerprints aren't in the database? I don't know about Mexican policy, but I doubt that Mexico has the fingerprints of every rural Mexican villager who's hopping the border.

Presumably we've got the person's fingerprints if they've been arrested before, and maybe - maybe - have already done the legwork to see if they're a citizen. But I'm not sure that happens if it's not a major crime, and from what I hear the illegals tend to not have ID and give names like "Juan Rodriquez" that are impossible to trace. Nonetheless, it would be good to know if the person has been arrested before.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:14 AM   #5
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I'm confused.

I was under the impression that it was standard practice to fingerprint everyone who was arrested? Am I mistaken here?

(Never been arrested myself)
Through the Secure Communities strategy, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) improves public safety every day by transforming the way criminal aliens are identified and removed from the United States. This strategy leverages an existing information sharing capability between the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Justice (DOJ) to quickly and accurately identify aliens who are arrested for a crime and booked into local law enforcement custody. With this capability, the fingerprints of everyone arrested and booked are not only checked against FBI criminal history records, but they are also checked against DHS immigration records. If fingerprints match DHS records, ICE determines if immigration enforcement action is required, considering the immigration status of the alien, the severity of the crime and the alien's criminal history. Secure Communities also helps ICE maximize and prioritize its resources to ensure that the right people, processes and infrastructure are in place to accommodate the increased number of criminal aliens being identified and removed.

Secure Communities modernizes the identification and removal processes by:

* Using fingerprint-based biometric identification technology,
* Prioritizing resources toward the greatest threats, and
* Sharing information between law enforcement partners.
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Old 02-16-2011, 09:16 AM   #6
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Through the Secure Communities strategy, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) improves public safety every day by transforming the way criminal aliens are identified and removed from the United States. This strategy leverages an existing information sharing capability between the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Justice (DOJ) to quickly and accurately identify aliens who are arrested for a crime and booked into local law enforcement custody. With this capability, the fingerprints of everyone arrested and booked are not only checked against FBI criminal history records, but they are also checked against DHS immigration records. If fingerprints match DHS records, ICE determines if immigration enforcement action is required, considering the immigration status of the alien, the severity of the crime and the alien's criminal history. Secure Communities also helps ICE maximize and prioritize its resources to ensure that the right people, processes and infrastructure are in place to accommodate the increased number of criminal aliens being identified and removed.

Secure Communities modernizes the identification and removal processes by:

* Using fingerprint-based biometric identification technology,
* Prioritizing resources toward the greatest threats, and
* Sharing information between law enforcement partners.
Oh, so they're basically just keeping a list of illegals and if your fingerprints match that list you get the boot? Did I get that about right?

How on earth could that be racial profiling?
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Oh, so they're basically just keeping a list of illegals and if your fingerprints match that list you get the boot? Did I get that about right?

How on earth could that be racial profiling?
Because are they going to apply this to everyone who is arrested, or just the brown-skinned dudes who don't speak English?
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Because are they going to apply this to everyone who is arrested, or just the brown-skinned dudes who don't speak English?
I'm going to make an assuption here, so I admit this might not be the case.

But if this is all computerized, it should just be part of the process when they book someone. I would assume that if I get arrested in State A for doing offense A, they would check to see if I had warrents out in State B for doing offense B.

I would assume this would be no different than that. That would make sense to me at least. In fact, I'm confused why this isn't being done everywhere. Being here illegally is...well illegal. If they check to see if I've got any outstanding warrents I would assume they'd check to see if I've broken other laws.
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I'm going to make an assuption here, so I admit this might not be the case.

But if this is all computerized, it should just be part of the process when they book someone. I would assume that if I get arrested in State A for doing offense A, they would check to see if I had warrents out in State B for doing offense B.

I would assume this would be no different than that. That would make sense to me at least. In fact, I'm confused why this isn't being done everywhere. Being here illegally is...well illegal. If they check to see if I've got any outstanding warrents I would assume they'd check to see if I've broken other laws.
I don't believe that fingerprints previously were checked with DHS and FBI dbases.
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I don't believe that fingerprints previously were checked with DHS and FBI dbases.
Really? (I actually don't know that) That would seem logical to me that the would be. I mean, how much time and effort would it take to feed a fingerprint into a computer and ask it "does this match anything?"
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The bigger issue is what do they do when they ID someone as here illegally? We lawyer them up, hold hearings, lots of delays and time spent and years go by. Until we start fast tracking them out of the country we still have the issue.
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I'm going to make an assuption here, so I admit this might not be the case.

But if this is all computerized, it should just be part of the process when they book someone. I would assume that if I get arrested in State A for doing offense A, they would check to see if I had warrents out in State B for doing offense B.

I would assume this would be no different than that. That would make sense to me at least. In fact, I'm confused why this isn't being done everywhere. Being here illegally is...well illegal. If they check to see if I've got any outstanding warrents I would assume they'd check to see if I've broken other laws.
I think you, and many, in general overestimate the degree of interstate and federal/state cooperation and information sharing capabilities.

TV shows are a joke. I know, having personally seen it, that a local police station (in a VERY nice zip code) here in Eastern Massachusetts uses a computer that isn't on ANYBODY's desk at work right now. I forget what it was, but it was like a TRS-80 or something so completely absurd my brain could barely comprehend it. It was a DOS based system in any event. :-O
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Really? (I actually don't know that) That would seem logical to me that the would be. I mean, how much time and effort would it take to feed a fingerprint into a computer and ask it "does this match anything?"
What you're missing is that the computers (federal, state-to-state) don't really talk to each other much, or at all. Law enforcement doesn't really have a "computer network", or at least it hasn't had one until somewhat recently. I think alot of effort has been put into better communication in the last 10 or so years.
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What you're missing is that the computers (federal, state-to-state) don't really talk to each other much, or at all. Law enforcement doesn't really have a "computer network", or at least it hasn't had one until somewhat recently. I think alot of effort has been put into better communication in the last 10 or so years.

That's kind of mind-boggling. I just assumed that everyone who got booked went into some sort of federal database, as did their fingerprints and all outstanding warrants. It doesn't seem like it'd be hard to do that at all.
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Also note the different agencies and funding involved in law enforcement. Just using Massachusetts, we have:

1. federal law enforcement (FBI), federally funded

2. probation, state funded, budgeted through the judiciary system (the probation department here reports to the Supreme Judicial court)

3. state police, state funded, through the executive branch

4. county law enforcement, largely in charge of prisons, county funded

5. local law enforcement, funded by the cities and towns.

Each running their own computer networks. And that's just WITHIN my state. Then consider that there are 50 states that all do it more or less like this, and think about the incredibly patchwork computer system that would result.
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