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Old 02-20-2011, 05:57 PM  
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Matthew 19:24

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Take the world as a whole. Does this mean there will be few Americans living today that make it to heaven?
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:02 PM   #2
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It means that the church had to figure out a way to keep their wealthier members in line. A thousand or so years ago those golden decorations and soft lifestyle for the clergy didn't pay for themselves, the need for donations and tithing was high. This was one of many passages they invented to wield like a club.
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:44 PM   #3
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:46 PM   #4
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Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Take the world as a whole. Does this mean there will be few Americans living today that make it to heaven?
Do you know what "the eye of a needle' is? If I told you it is possible for a camel to get through the eye of a needle would you believe me?
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:50 PM   #5
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Do you know what "the eye of a needle' is? If I told you it is possible for a camel to get through the eye of a needle would you believe me?
I read or heard somewhere that the "eye of the needle" was actually a reference to a gate in Jerusalem that was so short and narrow, that if a camel needed to go through it, it basically has to go through on its knees with very little on its back. Not sure how true this though, as I filed it under curious facts in my brain and never went back and did any research on it.
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:54 PM   #6
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I read or heard somewhere that the "eye of the needle" was actually a reference to a gate in Jerusalem that was so short and narrow, that if a camel needed to go through it, it basically has to go through on its knees with very little on its back. Not sure how true this though, as I filed it under curious facts in my brain and never went back and did any research on it.
Yep. The truth doesn't fit the narrative though, so why bother?
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:57 PM   #7
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Yep. The truth doesn't fit the narrative though, so why bother?
The point I have always taken from that passage is that if you become obsessed with wealth, worship it, and let it consume your life, it will ultimately consume your soul. I think there are wealthy people in heaven, they are just the ones that ruled their money, and not let their money or greed rule them.
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:58 PM   #8
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The point I have always taken from that passage is that if you become obsessed with wealth, worship it, and let it consume your life, it will ultimately consume your soul. I think there are wealthy people in heaven, they are just the ones that ruled their money, and not let their money or greed rule them.
Nope "the rich" are evil. Like King Soloman. EVEEEEEIIIILLLLLL!
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:07 PM   #9
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I read or heard somewhere that the "eye of the needle" was actually a reference to a gate in Jerusalem that was so short and narrow, that if a camel needed to go through it, it basically has to go through on its knees with very little on its back. Not sure how true this though, as I filed it under curious facts in my brain and never went back and did any research on it.
Right on It does fit the narrative IMO. Like you said the camel would have to get on its knees and get rid of most of the "stuff"(materialism) to get through the "needle".

Basically the camel's effort to get through the needle is symbolic yet very literal to those that follow Christ. On your knees to worship and not burdened down with "stuff"($$$/materialism) that could easily become man's new idol of worship.

Most think it's a "sewing needle".
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:12 PM   #10
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Nope "the rich" are evil. Like King Soloman. EVEEEEEIIIILLLLLL!
I get your point Bewb But in reality it is the worship of $$/materialism making them "soley" your security as opposed to Christ being your sole security. And many Christians give lip service to this verse but in reality it is their $$/stuff that is their real security.
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:14 PM   #11
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:16 PM   #12
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Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
So being rich is still evil?
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Old 02-20-2011, 07:18 PM   #13
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So being rich is still evil?
No, devoting all of your time to gathering money is. Much like any other addiction.
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No, devoting all of your time to gathering money is. Much like any other addiction.
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These next 5-10yrs IMO God will be seperating the wheat(real believers) from the chaff(luke warm fake Christians/Non-believers) using severe economic turmoil that man has caused in order to identify who are truly His sheep.

In the end times there will be a great Christian harvest. And the last I checked throughout Christian history and world history in general, the only time Christianity has ever had huge growing pains/great harvests is during 'great persecution'. Much Christian conversion will happen during the "tribulation period" but I believe also there will a great deal prior to the tribulation period.

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