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Old 03-04-2011, 07:40 AM  
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France bans the burqa

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu...nce.burqa.ban/

French senate approves burqa ban

By the CNN Wire Staff

Paris, France (CNN) -- The French senate approved Tuesday a law banning any veils that cover the face -- including the burqa, the full-body covering worn by some Muslim women -- making France the first European country to plan such a measure.

The law passed by a vote of 246 to 1, with about 100 abstentions coming essentially from left-leaning politicians.

The legislation was overwhelmingly approved by the lower house of parliament in July and will go into effect next spring.

French people back the ban by a margin of more than four to one, the Pew Global Attitudes Project found in a survey earlier this year.

Some 82 percent of people polled approved of a ban, while 17 percent disapproved. That was the widest support the Washington-based think tank found in any of the five countries it surveyed.

Clear majorities also backed burqa bans in Germany, Britain and Spain, while two out of three Americans opposed it, the survey found.

A panel of French lawmakers recommended a ban last year, and lawmakers unanimously passed a non-binding resolution in May calling the full-face veil contrary to the laws of the nation.

"Given the damage it produces on those rules which allow the life in community, ensure the dignity of the person and equality between sexes, this practice, even if it is voluntary, cannot be tolerated in any public place," the French government said when it sent the measure to parliament in May.

The law imposes a fine of 150 euros ($190) and/or a citizenship course as punishment for wearing a face-covering veil. Forcing a woman to wear a niqab or a burqa will be punishable by a year in prison or a 15,000-euro ($19,000) fine, the government said, calling it "a new form of enslavement that the republic cannot accept on its soil."

The French Council of State has warned that the ban could be incompatible with international human rights laws and the country's own constitution. The council advises on laws, but the government is not required to follow its recommendations.

The ban pertains to the burqa, a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, and the niqab, a full-face veil that leaves an opening only for the eyes. The hijab, which covers the hair and neck but not the face, and the chador, which covers the body but not the face, apparently are not banned by the law.

However, a 2004 law in France bans the wearing or displaying of overt religious symbols in schools -- including the wearing of headscarves by schoolgirls.

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life estimates that France has about 3.5 million Muslims, or about 6 percent of the population.

France does not keep its own statistics on religious affiliation of the population, in keeping with its laws requiring the state to be strictly secular.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:49 AM   #2
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I get what they are saying but what about a bridal veil or a woman wearing a veil in mourning?

But hey, this should shift at least part of the focus of the extremists away from us.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:18 AM   #3
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I think we can all agree that making a woman wear such a thing is ridiculous and incompatible with our modern day ideas of human freedom and dignity. And I think we can also agree that those women who do support the wearing of the burqa are misguided or ignorant or something along those lines.

But doesn't this bill in practice actually further restrict the Muslim woman who wears such garb? They won't even be able to go out into public without being fined. They will essentially be forced to house arrest.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:24 AM   #4
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But doesn't this bill in practice actually further restrict the Muslim woman who wears such garb? They won't even be able to go out into public without being fined. They will essentially be forced to house arrest.
Since their religion doesn't actually require it, the point is probably to force them to stop using the veil.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:29 AM   #5
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Since their religion doesn't actually require it, the point is probably to force them to stop using the veil.
I don't think a ton of conservative Muslim families feel liberated with this measure. I don't think a lot of women are going to be running out into the streets with smiles on their virgin faces.

I might be reading this wrong, but I think this is more of a "You're not like us, We don't want you around" thing.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:54 AM   #6
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Sounds pretty fascist to me. I mean who does wearing a Burqa harm? I can see if driving on a public road or a dress code in schools but just to ban it? But for the equality of the sexes? France is a pretty anti-religion country in general.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:10 AM   #7
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:19 AM   #8
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Wow. Fascist, indeed. Muslims get a taste of their own medicine.

I thought the French were more progressive.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:22 AM   #9
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Wow.

When Europe grows a spine and starts to fight back, you know you must really suck.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:31 AM   #10
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Wow.

When Europe grows a spine and starts to fight back, you know you must really suck.
How is this fighting back? It's more like a communist country that can't tolerate an article of clothing.
Now, honor killings and Sharia law—those things I can see fighting back about.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:33 AM   #11
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Wow. Fascist, indeed. Muslims get a taste of their own medicine.

I thought the French were more progressive.
Yeah, it is a taste of their own medicine but it's still a petty issue to use.
French people that are religious, not Muslim, will tell you that France is very, very anti-religion in general......so they are being progressive. And good Marxists as well. That "equality" statement showed that side of them.
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How is this fighting back? It's more like a communist country that can't tolerate an article of clothing.
Now, honor killings and Sharia law—those things I can see fighting back about.
It's France.

This is a big deal for them.
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France should rescind this law as soon as Islamic countries allow miniskirts and tube tops.
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Oh my! Well, I have heard the Saudi Arabia is about to boil over next. Think the women will be banning burqas and bras?
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I think we can all agree that making a woman wear such a thing is ridiculous and incompatible with our modern day ideas of human freedom and dignity. And I think we can also agree that those women who do support the wearing of the burqa are misguided or ignorant or something along those lines.
But doesn't this bill in practice actually further restrict the Muslim woman who wears such garb? They won't even be able to go out into public without being fined. They will essentially be forced to house arrest.
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