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Old 03-14-2011, 08:02 AM  
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Nuclear Power politics set back, what, 30-50 years?

Just a thought as I observe the news. Nuclear power is screwed for at least the next 20 years, and I think perhaps a lot longer. Not in my back yard syndrome is going to keep nuclear power off the table for a long, long time.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:03 AM   #2
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:07 AM   #3
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Let's face it, nuclear power might be dead, Dead, DEAD. This is Japan, not some crappy substandard Russian built nuclear power plant, that is in very serious danger of a full meltdown. It's 40 years old, and certainly an 8.9 magnitude quake is rather off the charts, but this is exactly the kind of thing that can kill something politically.

I'm a proponent of nuclear power, but I think we need to be thinking about other methods of power plant production in the wake of this. Politically, nuclear is dead for a good while, and perhaps forever.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:08 AM   #4
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Yeah it is. But I can't for the life of me understand building as many as Japan had since it's quake prone. I mean they've had 65 tusnamis even. One of those plants was being planned for shut down as it had a problem reactor but their govt kept telling people they were safe. Of course the owner of that plant was tight with their govt too.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:10 AM   #5
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This is helpful in framing the discussion. We're already more coal than anything else, and that trend probably needs to continue until we can find economically efficient ways of using renewable sources

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Old 03-14-2011, 08:11 AM   #6
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Yeah it is. But I can't for the life of me understand building as many as Japan had since it's quake prone. I mean they've had 65 tusnamis even. One of those plants was being planned for shut down as it had a problem reactor but their govt kept telling people they were safe. Of course the owner of that plant was tight with their govt too.
Japan is relatively resource poor so nuclear was one of the few options that avoided massive imports of raw materials.

And the plants are earth-quake resistant, but 8.9 is no ordinary earthquake.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:16 AM   #7
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I was starting to come around on nuclear. I've been leery of it in the past, but just recently starting to re-think my opinion of it. Seeing this has shocked me back to being leery of it. I wouldn't want a reactor in my back yard. It's one thing to have a disaster like an earthquake. But throw in a nuclear threat on top of that... Who needs that?
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:16 AM   #8
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We're proposing a new one in southern Iowa, the legislation to allow it recently passed the Iowa Congress.

We'll see if this changes all of that.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:18 AM   #9
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We're proposing a new one in southern Iowa, the legislation to allow it recently passed the Iowa Congress.

We'll see if this changes all of that.

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Old 03-14-2011, 08:18 AM   #10
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Japan is relatively resource poor so nuclear was one of the few options that avoided massive imports of raw materials.
irrelevant economically

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And the plants are earth-quake resistant, but 8.9 is no ordinary earthquake.
So they're not earth-quake resistant then. Thanks for admitting that.


I just told you how one reactor was a problem and their govt lied about it being safe. They have a crony owner. Sound familiar?

"The disaster at Fukushima isn’t the first quake-related accident for Tokyo Electric. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-of-tokyo.html
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:24 AM   #11
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As usual, the media is ****ing this all up. There is not threat of a meltdown or a China Syndrome. The containment units actually worked in Japan. Plus the new Gen III nuclear plants we want have already compensated for the design flaw of the electrical pumps which pump the water to keep the rods cool. People need to really educate themselves on the matter instead of listening to the dumb****s on TV that are doing any and every thing to exploit this tragedy for ratings or political gain.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:27 AM   #12
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:28 AM   #13
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As usual, the media is ****ing this all up. There is not threat of a meltdown or a China Syndrome. The containment units actually worked in Japan. Plus the new Gen III nuclear plants we want have already compensated for the design flaw of the electrical pumps which pump the water to keep the rods cool. People need to really educate themselves on the matter instead of listening to the dumb****s on TV that are doing any and every thing to exploit this tragedy for ratings or political gain.
I've listened to nothing on tv. I have listened to a power engineer though and read a tad of alternative media that is generally pro-nuclear but just knows govt's lie, and some Japanese You Tube vids.

I also don't understand why they don't build stronger houses on steel stilts near the coast after seeing those houses just swept away while some remained standing.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:30 AM   #14
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As usual, the media is ****ing this all up. There is not threat of a meltdown or a China Syndrome. The containment units actually worked in Japan. Plus the new Gen III nuclear plants we want have already compensated for the design flaw of the electrical pumps which pump the water to keep the rods cool. People need to really educate themselves on the matter instead of listening to the dumb****s on TV that are doing any and every thing to exploit this tragedy for ratings or political gain.
This.
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As usual, the media is ****ing this all up. There is not threat of a meltdown or a China Syndrome. The containment units actually worked in Japan. Plus the new Gen III nuclear plants we want have already compensated for the design flaw of the electrical pumps which pump the water to keep the rods cool. People need to really educate themselves on the matter instead of listening to the dumb****s on TV that are doing any and every thing to exploit this tragedy for ratings or political gain.
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This.
And that.

If this kills nuclear, it's only because people are unable or unwilling to understand the situation in Japan.
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