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Old 03-14-2011, 03:22 PM  
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Eisenhower Final Speech - warned us of the military industrial complex.



When you watch the whole speech... you can see that he saw what was coming. It is one of the most telling and most patriotic speeches that I've ever seen from the Commander in Chief. Take into account that he was with the US military for 50 years, and it gives his insight a whole new weight.

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Old 03-14-2011, 10:46 PM   #2
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Good evening, my fellow Americans.

First, I should like to express my gratitude to the radio and television networks for the opportunities they have given me over the years to bring reports and messages to our nation. My special thanks go to them for the opportunity of addressing you this evening.

Three days from now, after a half century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen. Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the nation. My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and finally to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years. In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the nation good, rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with Congress ends in a feeling -- on my part -- of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts, America is today the strongest, the most influential, and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace, to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among peoples and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt, both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily, the danger it poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defenses; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs, balance between the private and the public economy, balance between the cost and hoped for advantages, balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable, balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual, balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress. Lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration. The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their Government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of threat and stress.

But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. Of these, I mention two only.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or, indeed, by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual --is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present -- and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system – ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

During the long lane of the history yet to be written, America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect. Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent, I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war, as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years, I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

So, in this my last good night to you as your President, I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and in peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy. As for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I, my fellow citizens, need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nations' great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration: We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings. Those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; and that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth; and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.

Now, on Friday noon, I am to become a private citizen. I am proud to do so. I look forward to it.
Thank you, and good night.
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Old 03-14-2011, 10:55 PM   #3
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I think you're sending the point home a little strong.

There is no doubt that the military has created its own portion of the economy that's politicallly untouchable, and that the military has used that vantage point to become single-minded ambassadors for their cause.

One thing I welcome about the imminent Republican revolution over the next five to eight years is the new willingness to cut into the defense budget. Defense cuts almost have to come from the right side of the aisle for them to be very successful. Will be interesting to see how deep we can go.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:13 PM   #4
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It's very telling.

The Nazis were a military industrial complex... THEN... we defeated them. Less than 5 years later, we are a in a cold war with Russia.

So, think for a minute. All of the Nazi scientists that were "free agents", where do you think most of them moved to? Most of whom did not get tried at Nuremberg.

A bidding war for the Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Mike Tyson of Nazi scientists. The US couldn't have that all-star team go the Russians. So, in a sense, we traded places with the Germans. We are now the war machine.

You can see what Eisenhower was talking about when he said, "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:21 PM   #5
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How is our rise to power disastrous?
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:36 PM   #6
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It's very telling.

The Nazis were a military industrial complex... THEN... we defeated them. Less than 5 years later, we are a in a cold war with Russia.

So, think for a minute. All of the Nazi scientists that were "free agents", where do you think most of them moved to? Most of whom did not get tried at Nuremberg.

A bidding war for the Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzky, Mike Tyson of Nazi scientists. The US couldn't have that all-star team go the Russians. So, in a sense, we traded places with the Germans. We are now the war machine.

You can see what Eisenhower was talking about when he said, "The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
I don't like drawing a straight line from the Nazi defense system to the Department of Defense.

Come back to earth and we'll talk.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:41 PM   #7
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How is our rise to power disastrous?
I think you misunderstand.

The military is, just like any other department, jockeying for funding within the government.

The problem is that the military has essentially won any and all funding its asked for for the past seventy years.

What's resulted from that is more than just a bloated government bureaucracy. It's worse than that.

It's a fully developed complex that depends on excessive, exhaustively wasteful spending that we pour into defense by the trillions, much of it unnecessary. Some of it directly counterproductive to protecting America.

Politically, the military is, like every other department in the American government, an ambassador for its cause above all other causes, even the greater cause of America's wellbeing, and thus must be treated with a moderated hand, not stuffed until it bursts. And it doesn't take a decorated general turned quality American President to see that.

As the medium goes... too much of anything is a bad thing.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:43 PM   #8
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I look at it like this... we spend TRILLIONS on defense... then, the weapons get old and outdated, so we sell them... or we have to find an enemy to use them on. Trillions that could have been used for the betterment of humanity.

So, in a sense, we have armed a lot of our enemies... or created enemies. And that is being a global bully and police man.

Once you look at it from this perspective, you can see how 9-11 aided them in moving their agenda forward. Look at all of the shit they got to blow up... and look, they created a whole new "security" industry... TSA, Homeland Security, FEMA.

We have a "War" on terrorism. "War" on drugs. "War" on this... "War" on that... In many ways, we have become the beast we set out to destroy in WWII.

That's just my opinion, but Eisenhower was right on, in my estimation. The powers went unchecked... and look, we are always at war with someone, somewhere...

Here is a list of just our ARMY military bases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._installations

In my opinion, we should be strong on defense, but it should be like martial arts. Attack when provoked...
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:45 PM   #9
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I don't like drawing a straight line from the Nazi defense system to the Department of Defense.

Come back to earth and we'll talk.
It's not all the DOD... it's the Armament Industry... this includes all of the corporations dealing with defense contracts. The Halliburtons, the Lockheed Martins, etc...

And the Nazi Scientists parallel is very relevant. Most people have never considered the Cold War/Nazi Scientists free agency situation. It was called Operation Paperclip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

How do you think we got to the Moon in the 60s? Nazi scientists.

Now, I'm not saying we have gone all "holocaust" on countries... but we had their scientists and a military armament industry complex just like the Germans. It's interesting to process, though.
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It's not all the DOD... it's the Armament Industry... this includes all of the corporations dealing with defense contracts.

And the Nazi Scientists parallel is very relevant. Most people have never considered the Cold War/Nazi Scientists free agency situation.

How do you think we got to the Moon in the 60s? Nazi scientists.
Sweet jesus. Stop.
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It was called Operation Paperclip. It's not a crackpot "theory".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
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It was called Operation Paperclip. It's not a crackpot "theory".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Don't give a shit. I'm not interested in bringing Naziism into any political conversation.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:19 AM   #13
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Heh, I'll put my head under the covers, maybe the robber will go away.

It's a paradigm shift in thinking, I know. It's a bit of the red pill. But, once you understand this bit of information, you start seeing that the official story, isn't always the case.

Knowing about Operation Paperclip was one of the things that woke me up, years ago.
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I understand the connections. I just don't think, if we are to critique American defense spending, that Nazis are in any way an effective precedent.
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That's fair. I just look at it as a whole, instead of segmenting them. Once we dug ourselves out of the great depression with our armament industry... and became the world's most powerful country, we had to keep that going.

I don't know WHAT the scientists did, but IMO, they should have been executed for war crimes... not utilized in creating a new war machine. There is something there.

Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex going unchecked... it went unchecked. Eisenhower's successor was JFK. We know how his story ended... by a "lone gunman".

Now, we find ways to use our weapons... so we can build more weapons... blow up shit... then rebuild the shit we blew up. It's called GDP, and considered economic "growth".

Hell, most of America's enemies are using older American weapons to fight against us with... it's a sham.

http://www.google.com/search?q=us+sold+weapons Weapons are practically the #1 US Export, now.

Eisenhower knew it, and it's a shame no one stood up and did anything about it.

We have become the "Empire", and unfortunately, George Lucas isn't directing this movie.
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