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Old 03-24-2011, 06:52 PM  
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Border issues, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico and now Libya

Frighteningly obvious to most but often turned away without a second thought by several the facts are we are now engaged in military combat in no less than 3 countries around the world yet our border with Mexico remains wide open for any Tom, Dick and Harry to walk right across.

One really has to ask "WTF?" when we are defending peoples in other countries and in some cases very much guarding the borders of said countries but none of them are our own border. Seriously.

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The Department of Homeland Security has warned Texas law enforcement agencies that a renowned Al Qaeda terrorist is planning to sneak into the U.S. through Mexico, illustrating that Middle Eastern extremists continue to exploit the porous southern border in their quest to harm Americans.

While alarming, this case is hardly unique but rather part of a growing trend among Islamic terrorists to slip into the U.S. through a notoriously vulnerable 2,000-mile stretch. Mexican drug cartels and Middle Eastern extremists have for years joined forces to smuggle weapons and terrorists into the U.S., though the mainstream media coverage has largely ignored it to focus on the humble, poverty-stricken Mexicans who simply come to seek a better life.

A few years ago the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) revealed details of how Islamic terrorists and violent Mexican drug gangs have teamed up to successfully penetrate the U.S. as well as finance terror networks in the Middle East. Additionally, the top Homeland Security official in Texas confirmed that indeed terrorists—with ties to Hezbollah, Hamas and Al Qaeda—have been arrested crossing into the state through the Mexican border.

This proves that the U.S. government has known for years that terrorists are using Mexico as a pathway into the country. In this week’s alert, Homeland Security officials warn Houston authorities to be on the lookout for a member of a Somalia-based Al Qaeda group called Al Shabab who plans to cross the Mexican border. Evidently, he has ties to a Somali man in Texas who was recently indicted for operating a large-scale enterprise that smuggled hundreds of Somalis with terrorist ties from Brazil, through South America and across the Mexican border.

A separate case in Virginia illustrates that these sorts of illicit enterprises are on the rise. In that case a man with admitted ties to Al Shabaab is currently being prosecuted for running an international business that smuggled more than 200 Somalis across the Mexican border. The Somalis are believed to have been disbursed across the country and remain mostly at large, according to the national news report that broke the story.

I am so glad we are more worried about Afghanistan, Iraq and now Libya.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:32 PM   #2
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I've been saying for a while that we need to be out of Iraq, but redeploy about 40% of those troops to the southern border for border enforcement and joint military ops with Mexico to take out these paramilitary narcotics cartels. It's fast becoming the most viable threat against our internal sovereignty.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:52 PM   #4
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I've been saying for a while that we need to be out of Iraq, but redeploy about 40% of those troops to the southern border for border enforcement and joint military ops with Mexico to take out these paramilitary narcotics cartels. It's fast becoming the most viable threat against our internal sovereignty.
I don't know that we could trust the Mexican military when then President of Mexico is locking down his southern border while bashing us for wanting to lock down our southern border.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:52 PM   #5
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I've been saying for a while that we need to be out of Iraq, but redeploy about 40% of those troops to the southern border for border enforcement and joint military ops with Mexico to take out these paramilitary narcotics cartels. It's fast becoming the most viable threat against our internal sovereignty.
Works for me.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:54 PM   #6
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I've been saying for a while that we need to be out of Iraq, but redeploy about 40% of those troops to the southern border for border enforcement and joint military ops with Mexico to take out these paramilitary narcotics cartels. It's fast becoming the most viable threat against our internal sovereignty.
More guns isn't the answer. It will only escalate the violence.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:56 PM   #7
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I don't know that we could trust the Mexican military when then President of Mexico is locking down his southern border while bashing us for wanting to lock down our southern border.
Of course we shouldn't trust them. The people we trusted previously and trained are the same people that defected and joined the cartels. That said, we don't have to trust them too much to work against a common enemy, much as,we,did in ww2 with Stalin and the russian troops.
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More guns isn't the answer. It will only escalate the violence.
The cartels control marijuana, cocaine, meth, guns, prostitution, and human trafficking. Is yourproposal to legalize all of those?
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:03 PM   #9
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More guns isn't the answer. It will only escalate the violence.
This is where we disagree. Right now the alternative is to turn a blind eye and in some cases turning over land un-officially to drug trafficers like we have done with part of the national park in in AZ.
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The cartels control marijuana, cocaine, meth, guns, prostitution, and human trafficking. Is yourproposal to legalize all of those?
With the exception of human trafficking and aside from your mischaracterization of their role in gun situation, yes. Prohibition is a failed experiment.

The cartels get their guns here. They pay top dollar so it's easy for them to find people willing to walk into gun shows and stores here in Texas and across the Southwest.
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This is where we disagree. Right now the alternative is to turn a blind eye and in some cases turning over land un-officially to drug trafficers like we have done with part of the national park in in AZ.
Legalize marijuana and the bulk of their profits disappear overnight. Americans grow the best weed on the planet and we grow a lot of it. If the legal restrictions weren't there then there would be no reason to buy mexi-brick shit because there would be more American grown weed.

Legalize cocaine and they would be completely out of business.
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With the exception of human trafficking and aside from your mischaracterization of their role in gun situation, yes. Prohibition is a failed experiment.

The cartels get their guns here. They pay top dollar so it's easy for them to find people willing to walk into gun shows and stores here in Texas and across the Southwest.
That's why we need to lock down the border. To keep things from going across illegally, regardless of which way it is going.
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Legalize marijuana and the bulk of their profits disappear overnight. Americans grow the best weed on the planet and we grow a lot of it. If the legal restrictions weren't there then there would be no reason to buy mexi-brick shit.

Legalize cocaine and they would be completely out of business.
Marijuana I can go for legalizing. Cocaine? Never.
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Marijuana I can go for legalizing. Cocaine? Never.
People aren't stupid. They know what drugs do to you. If they want to continue to do them after that then that's their fault.

Our focus should be on the medical side of the problem because drug use is a medical issue.
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People aren't stupid. They know what drugs do to you. If they want to continue to do them after that then that's their fault.

Our focus should be on the medical side of the problem because drug use is a medical issue.
I say, BS. Cocaine causes too many social side-effects. I would rival them to alcohol but worse. We see how some parents and spouses get when they drink, we don't need them wired out.
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