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Old 03-27-2011, 06:42 PM  
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US Interests

I have a question, inspired by a conversation in the Why I Am Not A Neoconservative thread.

A common sentiment among those of us here in this forum is that our participation in international affairs should strive for what's in our best for america.

That's fine. Uncontroversial. I think we all get behind that.

My question is... how far do we want to take that notion?

I ask because in the thread, I mentioned that while American interests should be first and foremost, they should not be the ONLY thing considered.

This drew gasps from some of my more conservative brethren.

So let me use an example to illustrate my point, one that I used in the thread with almost zero response from those who found my initial claim so blasphemous.

One of the countries with a popular revolt in the Middle East is Bahrain. We have a huge military base there that we use for various operations in the region.

If that sounds like nobody in the region likes that, it's because they don't. But the king of Bahrain let's us because we shower their government with arms and aid.

So when the people of the country revolt, they do so peacefully, in the vein of Egypt and Iran.

The king, of course, turns to violence. Live ammunition into crowds. Shooting from helicopters. Casualties mount, thanks in large part to American weaponry.

So that's my question. Is it worth it? Supporting a now-brutal dictator who kills peaceful, pro-democracy protesters from helicopters? All in the name of yet another base? (For the record, we already have bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Kyrgyzstan, and operate with impunity out of Israel.

Is it worth it?
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:49 PM   #2
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Personally we either need to level the ME and quit playing these games where we pretend the governments, current or future are wanting some sort of peace with us, or we need to bring our peeps and our money home and let the chips fall where they will. this crap of us picking and choosing where we will play world police is a crock of steamy bullshit.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:49 PM   #3
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...Is it worth it?
I beg your forgiveness for reordering your thoughts, but this is what comes to your mind when you think of the U.S. acting in its best interests?

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Live ammunition into crowds. Shooting from helicopters. Casualties mount, thanks in large part to American weaponry.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:50 PM   #4
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When our military is being used like it is over in Libya. I think the USA should be paid.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:51 PM   #5
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I don't know anything about the protesters in Bahrain. Are they even more pro-US than the monarchy? If not, meh.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:04 PM   #6
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I beg your forgiveness for reordering your thoughts, but this is what comes to your mind when you think of the U.S. acting in its best interests?
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:07 PM   #7
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:07 PM   #8
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I think any country would welcome the US and want us to have a base if we help them understand its just a nonbase for waging nonwars instead of a nasty threat filled place where warmongering imperialists store guns, bombs, airplanes and jets, and all that stuff.

The nonPresident Obama could go sell that idea.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:12 AM   #9
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Who the hell are we to play mediator or big brother to the entire world. This is the same country that went to Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction when we are the only country that has used weapons of mass destruction. How in the hell does that make sense. There has been at least one war per decade since the 1800's, and people these days are okay with that.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:26 AM   #10
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I think the term "interests" is too vague. Military intervention for "interests". Too general and vague. Also sounds too much like Olde World mercantilism aka neo-imperialism. We intervene military if it's related to our national defense or "valid" threats to be determined by the people's house. So enforcing the Monroe Doctrine is one I'd support. Some Cold War interventions, but only some as most was fought by proxy. None of this giving aid to both sides of a conflict though....ya' know like between the Palestinians and Israelis. I mean wtf is that all about?
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:27 AM   #11
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A lot of people voting present on this issue....
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:31 AM   #12
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A lot of people voting present on this issue....
Good enough for our President...

In my opinion, it may be worth it, but three wars are enough already. If we need to relocate forces - so be it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:36 AM   #13
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Who the hell are we to play mediator or big brother to the entire world. This is the same country that went to Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction when we are the only country that has used weapons of mass destruction. How in the hell does that make sense. There has been at least one war per decade since the 1800's, and people these days are okay with that.
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The US is the only country that has used WMDs? Interesting...
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:50 AM   #14
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The US is the only country that has used WMDs? Interesting...
Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Can you name someone else that has used them?
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Can you name someone else that has used them?
You are forgetting that "WMD" was reframed in the early 2000's to include anything more deadly then a 50 cal. bullet.
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